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| Aug. 23, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Rocky Mountain results Rain disrupted the championship games on Sunday, so some divisions were decided based on which team was undefeated in bracket play headed into the championship game. There were 83 men's teams entered. 50+ Major: 1. Walkoff (Maryland). 2. Elevated (Utah). 3. Texas Steel. 50+ AAA: 1. Damage (Nevada). 2. Persuaders (Kansas). 3. PCS/MN Lumberjacks (Minnesota) 55+ Major: 1. Texas Bulls. 2. ManCave (Texas). 3. Alliance/Scrap Iron (Coloado) 50+AA/55+AAA: 1. KC Stampede (Missouri). 2. Bootleggers (Colorado). 3. ETX (Texas) 60+ Major Plus: 1. Legacy Sports USA (Arizona). 2. Texas Crush 60s. 60+ Major:1. Scrap Iron Rocky Mountain Thunder. 2. Sea Glass (Arkansas). 3. Minnesota Premier. 60+ AAA: 1. Mountain Men (Utah). 2. Minnesota Thunder. 3. Texas Legends. 60+ AA: 1. Austin Wizards. 2. Texas Tornadoes. 3. Club Tilt/Haus (Colorado). 65+ Platinum: 1. Houston Fire. 2. BlueSpeed AV (Missouri). 3. Scrap Iron High Octane (Colorado). 65+ AAA: 1. Fierce Firearms (Utah). 2. Carriage Homes (Missouri). 3. Utah Coyotes. 65+ AA: 1. Electrifiers (Texas). 2. Duke City Dynamite (New Mexico). 3. Scrap Iron Diamonds (Colorado) 70+/75+ Silver: 1. Scrap Iron Diamonds 75. 2. Not Dead Yet (Kansas). 3. R&D Leverage (Missouri). 80+ AAA: 1. Scrap Iron Gray Berets. 2. Antiques of Kansas City |
| Aug. 15, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Southern Championship results Congratulations to the division winners at the Southern Championships in Dalton, Georgia. Some great ball got played on some beautiful turf fields. Here are the top finishers in each division: Men's 50+ Major: 1. Allied Tool/Father Time of Kentucky. 2. Big Daddy's Softball of Georgia. 3. Duty Calls Seniors of Florida Men's 50/55+ Gold: 1. United Softball of Alabama. 2. Montgomery Swarm 55 of Alabama. Men's 60/65+ Platinum: 1. Monster Softball 60s of Mississippi. 2. Texas Crush Sixty Fives. 3. DT Express of Georgia. Men's 65/75+ Gold: 1. Georgia Alabama Seniors. 2. The Grind.com of Tennessee. 3. Venom 75s of Florida. Men's 60+ AAA: 1. Darrell Harris & Associates of Georgia. 2. Mobley Brothers Roofing of Tennessee. 3. Southern Boys of Georgia. Women's 50+ Gold: 1. 50 Shades of Indiana. 2. Dreamgirlz of Virginia. 3. Regroup & Reload of Texas. |
| July 26, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Player awarded a base Posters in this thread have referenced two different aspects of the rules. The basic overthrow rule for a ball that goes out of play is on page 49 of the rule book under 8.4(10) D. It is the one B.J. quoted: “When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked: EFFECT: All runners will be awarded two bases, and the award will be governed by the positions of the runners when the ball left the fielder’s hands. If two runners are between the same bases, the award is based on the lead runner.” Note that this rule does not mention whether an outfielder or infielder made the throw. Stick8, you quoted a rule a little further down that deals with a thrown ball that hits a runner or umpire and then goes out of play. That is in section E. The first part of that rule notes that the “ball is dead, and all runners are awarded two bases.” Subsection 1 adds details about whether the throw came from an infielder or outfielder. For an infielder, the award of bases is “governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.” Umpires should glance at all runners as a throw is being made so that the proper rule can be enforced if the thrown ball goes out of play. In the case cited at the start of this thread, the runner should be awarded third base. |
| July 23, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Player awarded a base It doesn’t matter what direction the runner is going. Even though he needs to tag first base (or be called out on appeal), he is awarded two bases from the time the ball left the fielder’s hand. In this case, he is awarded third base because he already is past first base. (Yes, this is the USA rule, too.) If he fails to retouch first base, the defense may appeal him for leaving the base too soon. |
| July 18, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championships second session results My apologies to Glenn May and his 70+ team, as I reversed the second and third place teams in the 70+ AAA bracket. Anderson Roofing/50 Caliber STL finished second in the five-team bracket. |
| July 13, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championships second session results Midwest Championship results of second session: 65+ Platinum: 1. KC Kids 2. Dudley Lightning 3. Chicago Prime 65/70+ Gold: 1. Carriage Homes 2. Tex/Ark Legends 3. KC Kids 70s 70+ AA: 1. Chicago Hitmen 2. R&D Leverage 70+ AAA: 1. Texas Rattlers 2. USA Patriots 3. Anderson Roofing/50 Caliber STL 75+ Gold Division: 1. Maverick Construction 2. St. Charles Aces 3. Midwest Express |
| July 11, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championships Session 1 results Session 1 results from Midwest Championships in St. Charles, Mo: 40+ Master Gold: 1. Hub’s Pub 2. MTS/LS/Kandy/Midstate 3. Redbirds/A&M Handy 50+ Major: 1. 50 Degrees 2. Maher Homes NE Elite 3. S&S Exteriors 50+ AAA: 1. Team Mastery 2. Persuaders 3. Ontourage 55+ AAA: 1. KC Elite 2. STL Road Dogs 3. KC Stampede 60/65+ Gold: 1. Sea Glass 2. NSC Silver Bullets 3. BlueSpeed AV 55+ Major: 1. Dudley Lightning 2. KC Vintage 3. K&I 60+ Major: 1. Suncoast Midwest 2. 50 Caliber Silver 3. Big Daddy Donuts |
| July 9, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Wapelhorst rain update Rain on Saturday morning delayed the first round of games about 30 minutes at Wapelhorst Park but we anticipate catching up quickly so later-arriving teams should plan on playing at their normal game times. |
| July 8, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings 50+ Major seeds: 1. Miken Franchise; 2. Maher Homes NE Elite; 3. 50 Degrees; 4. S&S Exteriors; 5. Senior Dogs. |
| July 8, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings 60+ Major seeding: 1. Dudley Lightning; 2. Peak Softball/Scrap Iron; 3. QC; 4. Suncoast Midwest; 5. Windy City Softball; 6. 50 Caliber Silver; 7. Big Daddy’s. |
| July 8, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings 40+ Masters Gold seeds:: 1. Southern Illinois Lightning; 2. Hub’s Pub.; 3. Redbirds/A&M Handy; 4. MTS/LS/Kandy/Midstate; 5. St. Louis Ultra |
| July 8, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings 55 AAA seeds: 1. KC Elite; 2. KC Stampede; 3. Team Illinois; 4. St. Louis Road Dogs; 5. Southern Illinois; 6. Shockers. |
| July 8, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings 55 Major seeds: 1. Aurora Tap House; 2. K & I; 3. KC Vintage; 4. Dudley Lightning; 5. Team Mission. |
| July 8, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings Seedings from Wapelhorst Park: 50AAA: 1. The Persuaders; 2. So. Illinois Lightning; 3. Team Mastery; 4. KC Vintage; 5. Ontourage. 60/65 Gold: 1. NSC Silver Bullets; 2. Sea Glass; 3. Texas Legends; 4. Triple Crown; 5. Antiques of Iowa City; 6. BlueSpeed. |
| June 10, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Commitment line on a tag up. Let’s see if I can answer the key questions. 1. When do you call the out on the runner from 2B who did not tag? If he had recrossed the commitment line, you would call the out as soon as that happens. In this case, he stood near the scoring line, so the out is not called until the defense properly appeals. 2. When was 2B available for the runner from 1B? As soon as it was clear that the runner from 2B had “given up” that base, which happened when he touched 3B. Runner from 1B could have stepped on 2B and been safe even during the live ball appeal. 3. Does the defense have to make a verbal appeal when throwing back to 2B on this live ball appeal? OK, there’s a lot of discussion on this. Bottom line, it depends on what the defense says and does. For example, if someone yells, “He didn’t tag at second,” and then the defense throws to 2B, I have an out when the defense touches the base. But if no one says anything, as an umpire I hesitate to see what play they defense is making. Usually, someone will say they are appealing. Perhaps this live ball appeal language from umpirebible.com explains it best:: “The appeal must be explicit. A defensive player with the ball must then either tag the player whose action is being appealed, or touch the base at which the appealable action took place, and then must indicate to the umpire either verbally or with an unmistakable action the intention to appeal. An appeal should be clearly intended as an appeal, either by a verbal request by the player or an act that unmistakably indicates an appeal to the umpire." |
| June 5, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Equaluzer rules/# of homeruns This is covered in rule 13.3(8)E., part of which says: “If there is a difference in rules governing teams in a mixed division, the rules governing the weaker, or older, teams are used.” |
| April 29, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: You make the call Great explanation from fresnomdn. There is no special senior rule for this play. The runner gets 3B. (Does not mater if he had tagged or not; he still gets 3B. In the case where a runner fails to tag, the defense can appeal that mistake.) |
| March 6, 2022 Donna McGuire | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: What’s the Rule ISSA follows USA (formerly ASA) Softball rules for most of its rules, including the situation MurrayW describes here. SSUSA and USA rules are the same for this situation. Tim cited that rule in his post. So the umpire should NOT have awarded the 2B and 3B runners a base. |
| Oct. 28, 2021 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call T2, you assumed the Situation 1 stated above was the game you witnessed. It was not. The scorekeeper somehow jumped over the fourth batter in their lineup when filling out the official game card at a TOC event, and the manager did not catch her error. When the scorekeeper learned her mistake cost them an out (the other team appealed properly) AND the services of their best player for that game, she burst into tears. I used that case as an example of a player's name being left off the game card, and the penalty enforced. Under your reasoning, her team should have forfeited that game, too. Seriously? SSUSA does NOT have a rule saying a player found in the game but not on the official game card constitutes a forfeit. USA Softball does NOT have such a rule, either. Both rule books say if an ejected/disqualified player is caught playing again in the same game, then the team would forfeit. That did not happen in the case you cited to start this thread. |
| Oct. 27, 2021 Donna McGuire | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Yet another you make the call T2, you ask how to know what to call. Maybe these actual SSUSA game cases will help. Situation 1. A scorekeeper forgets to write a player on the official card, and the manager does not catch the mistake. The opponent catches the mistake after the player bats. Situation 2. A Major team recruits a Major-Plus player (whose team is out of the tournament) to finish the tournament with them on championship Sunday. He is not on their roster (and would not be eligible for their roster). The team gets caught playing with this player on the field. The differences are major. In Situation 1, the player was on the official roster filed with SSUSA, and had checked in at the director’s table, but the scorekeeper and/or manager had a “senior” moment and left his name off the game card. Nothing nefarious here. The penalty: The team cannot use that player the rest of the game. He cannot bat, cannot play defense, cannot courtesy run. The offended team can get an out if it appeals at the proper time. In Situation 2, the team intentionally cheated. Definitely nefarious — a flagrant breaching of our rules. The penalty: forfeit. As you know, our rule book does not cover every rule. We fall back on USA Softball for rules not spelled out in our book. USA does not forfeit a game when a player is removed for a rule infraction, as was the case in Situation 1. However, if the disqualified player had re-entered the game after being removed, then the game would become a forfeit. (USA Softball rule 4.8). |
