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Rule Interpretation

» Hamstring: Runners on 1st and 3rd, one out. Batter hits a popup to the 2nd ...
      »lowprofile: Thinking the batter is automatically out once the ump called infield ...
      »B.J.: what mistake did the umpire make?? .. he called IF and per your ...
      »Player: Sorry, but I have to throw a different perspective on the ...
      »B.J.: ooops!!! not only did your umpire suffer a senior moment so sis I ...
      »Hamstring: If we go by the umpire ruling infield fly, why is the batter awarded ...
      »B.J.: hamstring.. this could go 2 ways .. if the umpire tried to stay with ...
      »stick8: This may sound odd. As horrific as this call sounds like and as ...
      »lowprofile: Hamstring, I'm just going by what the called play as you ...
      »swing for the fences : runner at second is safe, it's not a force on infield fly rule ...
      »chico senior: Swing - Iím not sure why you say everyone on base should know it is ...
      »swing for the fences : my bad,, it was the umpires fault. guess the rule is to run ...
      »chico senior: Iím not even sure where you start with this umpire screw up. This is ...
12 Nov. 12, 2019 549

Is a check-swing or deliberate half-swing legal?

» jgoff5113: In the World Masters Tourney that just concluded, a batter made a ...
      »STL0: The only thing in the rule book I could find after a quick look that ...
      »Nancy Allen: I have always admired what we call here a good slap hitter. Very few ...
      »B.J.: STLO. You are correct there is no definition for what a full swing is ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks everyone for your comments. STL0: For what it's worth, this ...
      »jgoff5113: And Nancy: His wrists were not turned.
      »stick8: Jgoff5113, as long as the batter takes a full swing heís fine. A ...
      »Nancy Allen: Jgoff5113, it would be coming down with the bat like an axe from what ...
      »B.J.: ok I'm going to stir the pot some more.. I have yet to see a well ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., I totally agree. It is a myth that there is a rule anywhere ...
      »stick8: True, there is no rule that states players must take a full swing. ...
      »B.J.: stick, I think you misunderstood me.. there is such a rule.. I do ...
      »STL0: Nancy: Rule 7.6 (E) CLEARLY states that the batter must take a full ...
      »Nancy Allen: STL0, you're right. I am saying what I am thinking wrong. You can't ...
      »STL0: All good Nancy...just didn't understand why you were saying that. ...
      »jgoff5113: Thank-you all for educating me on this. I suppose it would be unfair ...
15 Nov. 11, 2019 410

Base runner using the safety bag at 1st base

» jgoff5113: Situation: Runner on 1st. Next batter is a lefty and often hits hard ...
      »B.J.: jgoff.. once the runner attains 1st base then both bags merge as ...
      »jgoff5113: Awesome B.J.! Thanks for pointing me to the right place in the ...
2 Nov. 11, 2019 188

Illegal Courtesy Runner?

» SCUBA: Rule 8.5(5) A courtesy runner must report to, and be acknowledged ...
      »B.J.: scuba.. the umpire should ALWAYS call time after all play has stopped ...
      »grayhitter59: the team using the CR has up until the umpire calls for a pitch to ...
      »SCUBA: OK, help me out here. Sure, the umpire could have avoided this ...
      »B.J.: scuba.. the umpires failure for not calling time out really has ...
4 Nov. 8, 2019 256

70 Maj + V. 65 Major

» Mason's Grandpa: Dave, If a 65 Major Team is playing against a 70 Major Plus Team, ...
      »DaveDowell: Grandpa ... ALMOST ... The game(s) are played under the 65+ GAME ...
      »Mason's Grandpa: Thanks Dave, I appreciate the response
      »Mason's Grandpa: Dave, Out of Curiosity. WHY is a 70 Major Plus Team playing in the ...
      »DaveDowell: Grandpa ... There's a rather lengthy thread (Major+ Teams in Winter ...
4 Nov. 8, 2019 296

Use one up for home runs this year

» tall_thunder: I'm not sure when the committee gets together to discuss any rules ...
      »DCPete: Agree 100%; they used to have this rule but got rid of it for some ...
      »DaveDowell: The SSUSA National Rules Committee sessions this year are at the ...
      »TimMcElroy: I am strongly opposed to the one-up rule because it actually helps ...
      »DaveDowell: Tall_thunder and DCPete ... How would you feel about a true one-up ...
      »chico senior: Our team for the most part plays NCSSA tournaments. They use the one ...
      »Wizard of Oz: Hey Dave, how would you feel about making the HR limits the same for ...
      »DCPete: Actually Dave no one should have a problem with your "true" one-up ...
      »DaveDowell: chico - The NCSSA model was my inspiration for that suggestion ... ...
      »Wizard of Oz: Dave....Iím not arguing HR limits... I agree each rating should have ...
      »Nancy Allen: I won't speak to all of the ways that I have seen associations ...
      »BallPlayer35: Here is my opinion: All Maj+ - 10hrs & DHH - Another reason to ...
      »Uncle Mike: I would love to see : Major + - 10 Home Runs Major - 3 Home ...
      »Nancy Allen: BallPlayer35, just for clarification for anyone reading your post, ...
      »TimMcElroy: I whisper "What the firetruck" to myself at least 10 times a day. ...
      »DaveDowell: Tim ... These could, if they miraculously end up on the Rules ...
      »Nancy Allen: These are perfect examples of why I like so many home runs only just ...
      »garyheifner: What is awesome about all the above is that our 3 hitter hit one out ...
      »Wizard of Oz: Dave not sure what comment or comments seem to amuse you and your ...
      »DaveDowell: Wiz ... A lot of the commentary across many topics here is highly ...
      »BEEBIC: I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND WHY SO MANY PEOPLE THINK THE 'ONE UP RULE' FOR ...
      »Nancy Allen: BEBIC, my reason for thinking is because of the development of rules ...
      »DCPete: Nancy; having to keeping track of the HR one-up rules is just another ...
      »Nancy Allen: DCPete, I appreciate that, and I personally have no problem doing ...
      »garyheifner: I guess I can't understand the big issue here. If U get 3 Hrs a ...
      »ChiPrimeMarty: My $.02, followed by a suggestion: The AAA & Major teams I've ...
      »Uncle Mike: @ChiPrimeMarty I have actually seen a game where Windy City ...
      »ChiPrimeMarty: Uncle Mike, Windy City has been M or M+ for as long as I can remember ...
      »Uncle Mike: Sorry it was WC Thunder in 50 AAA in 2013
      »tall_thunder: WOW, haven't checked this site in a while. I see our Directors like ...
      »tall_thunder: Sorry, ran out of room. My suggestion was to possible help ...
      »Nancy Allen: tall_thunder, it sounds like you are not too happy. I have a lot of ...
      »DaveDowell: tall_thunder ... Please feel free to submit any suggestions you might ...
      »tall_thunder: Trying to describe an incident on here is tough. It was November ...
      »tall_thunder: Dang, too long again. Anyways. I've played ball since I was 12, and ...
      »TimMcElroy: tall_thunder: 2 things- 1) This thread began with your proposed ...
      »Wayne 37: So now an unannounced substitute is an illegal substitute even if ...
      »TimMcElroy: Sir, Refer to Section 4.7 of the SSUSA rulebook for clarification ...
      »SKings24: Always hear lets not make it more difficult for our umpires, they ...
      »Nancy Allen: SKings24, I respectfully disagree with part of your statements. ...
      »Wayne 37: Tim, I am perfectly aware of the rule and it makes no sense if the ...
40 Nov. 2, 2019 2293

Red meat for umpire types

» TimMcElroy: Many of us have an opinion on the interference call that was made in ...
      »DaveDowell: With the double "safety base" in play, my view is that's an automatic ...
      »tattooball: The rule is pretty clear on that call. Problem is they didn't enforce ...
      »TimMcElroy: ^^^ Agreed. Much like the out of the box call, it is normally the ...
      »cw: Kyle Schwarber from the Cubs tweeted about using the double bag after ...
      »stick8: Tim to answer the question if there were two bases Turner would be ...
      »B.J.: Tim, if a runner failed to run on the foul side of the base path ...
      »DaveDowell: Don't get me started on THAT one stick8 ... Ha! ... There is NO ...
      »TimMcElroy: I whispered "what the firetruck" at least 10 times that day.
      »B.J.: I don't have a horse in the race but in my OP it was a bad call ...
      »B.J.: Dave, just to rile you up...lol... years ago I was one of the ...
      »Sisavic: Dave, consider adding this "When all else fails" rule. I was playing ...
      »DieselDan: Turner knew what he was doing last night. His left foot touched the ...
      »DaveDowell: Sisavic ... I LIKE that auxiliary "flip" rule ... I've actually used ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave, please close your eyes for a moment. B.J., the orange bag was ...
      »mck71: I believe what most have stated, the rule was "applied" correctly as ...
      »DaveDowell: Agreed, Mike ... Great series ... Question of the moment is whether ...
      »mck71: And the ROAD-FIELD ADVANTAGE WINS, UNBELIEVABLE!
      »DieselDan: Nancy Doing soccer is similar, at least when I was still doing ...
      »DaveDowell: Mike ... I was listening to the radio coverage of the first couple of ...
      »Shark: Interesting that if you listened to Joe Torre's explanation on that ...
      »tattooball: The rule is the rule and call was correct. It doesn't mean you have ...
      »mck71: Dave, the way that Greinke was pitching, wasn't sure how this one ...
      »stick8: Dave youíre correct about touching part of the orange bag (that was a ...
      »stick8: BJ, I share your concerns about that!! Why itís not reviewable is a ...
      »garyheifner: what I don't get about the call is that the runners lead foot hit the ...
      »Wayne 37: I thought they called Turner out for interfering with Gurriel's ...
26 Nov. 2, 2019 791

Team Roster Clarification-2020

» MartyM: if you play in the November qualifier(Ft. Myers in this case) with a ...
      »mck71: Marty - at some point Dave would come on here and tell you this - ...
      »MartyM: Thanks mck71, took your advice and emailed Tiffany. Will post her ...
      »mck71: You are most certainly welcome Marty. The part that I am def not ...
      »MartyM: mck71, Here is Tiffany's response, First part is clear as you noted, ...
      »mck71: That is what I thought but better to know exactly. Thx again Marty!
5 Oct. 31, 2019 415

Commitment Line

» Capt Kirk: We had a play in league, 3rd baseman chased the runner pass the ...
      »JBTexas : Gary, you are 100% correct, runner cannot be touch for a out once he ...
      »DaveDowell: Simple 4-word answer ē Umpire blew the call
      »stick8: Umpire sure did botch that one! Allow me to add that once a runner ...
3 Oct. 25, 2019 387

Correction

» Wayne 37: There was a discussion about BOOO. I really wasn't paying attention ...
0 Oct. 23, 2019 146

Two Umpires make opposite call on same play

» DirkPitt: Bases loaded, two outs, tie game in extra innings (top of inning). ...
      »TimMcElroy: You won't find a section of the rule book dedicated to "When umpires ...
      »OZ40: It's always good to talk to your partner before the game. Whenever we ...
      »stick8: You likely will not find this situation addressed in any association ...
      »B.J.: Exactly what Tim said.. there is no excuse for this to happen.. I ...
      »stick8: BJ I agree with you on moving inside the baseline to watch for tags ...
      »STL0: Stick - If the umpire called time during the middle of the play, ...
      »stick8: Good question STL0. The answer is yes. See below. The home plate ...
      »Jay Cas: From a umpire standpoint, I must first say that the homeplate umpire ...
      »Wayne 37: Some interesting points here. My suggestion would be at the very ...
9 Oct. 21, 2019 637

Out of the Batter's Box

» SCUBA: When is the batter considered out of the batter's box when he is hit ...
      »B.J.: SCUBA.. this question came up a few years ago and there were ...
      »Wayne 37: Batter hit by batted ball with both feet legally in the box is a foul ...
      »SCUBA: Wayne37, I can't find your first sentence in the rulebook. According ...
      »B.J.: SCUBA.. welcome to Wayne's world.. a batter hit with a batted ...
      »Wayne 37: SCUBA, I'm sure you've seen games on TV where a batter will *FOUL* a ...
      »DieselDan: SSUSA RULES SUMMARY FOR 2019 Batter's Box Batter's box is ...
      »Wayne 37: Dan, I'm aware of that. Does that mean a batter can have the back ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. again, READ THE RULE BOOK it would answer most of your ...
8 Oct. 21, 2019 497

stats

» shortstop33: Home team ahead in bottom of 6th get three hits score two runs should ...
      »shortstop33: Does anyone out there no the answer to this question. In the MLB the ...
      »mck71: ss33 - if the game is still in question, which would make sense since ...
      »DaveDowell: Sounds like your league may be an "X number of minutes, game over" ...
      »shortstop33: the rain came in the bottom of the 6th, we play 7 and the home team ...
      »DaveDowell: New facts (or additional ones) change my answer... In a shortened ...
5 Oct. 12, 2019 468

Is it a double play

» timmyb: This was a very heated discussion in the winners bracket game between ...
      »B.J.: timmyb.. I'm not sure what you mean by didn't tag correctly? do you ...
      »timmyb: Thank you bj , itís exactly as you state it . The umpire said the ...
      »B.J.: I meant to post the below rule yesterday.. 8.4(8) ē WHEN RUNNERS ...
      »STL0: Hard to believe 2 site directors agreed with that call. That doesn't ...
      »stick8: Timmyb, strictly going by the way you describe the play I have the ...
      »stick8: In effect itís almost like an infield fly rule
      »timmyb: Thanks all , the only reason i put this is on the board , is the site ...
      »timmyb: Also , this was an extremely hard hit ball , and deflection , there ...
      »B.J.: timmyb.. just in case you ever have a rules dispute in the future.. ...
      »Wayne 37: FYI ~ This is in no way, shape or form an infield fly [insert eye ...
      »stick8: BJ, I would venture to say some umpires donít know the rules!!
      »Jay Cas: Technically, The tournament directors or UIC should not be getting ...
      »TOMAR77: If I may contribute. As I read the Rules and being a former ...
      »timmyb: Tomar, thank you . This is no different ( unless Dave says so ) than ...
      »B.J.: TOMAR77 .. the batted ball that was in flight and went off the ...
      »stick8: Tomar77, In this situation I believe youíre incorrect when you say ...
      »TOMAR77: O.K., intertepations have been opined. I would suggest that Rick ...
      »DaveDowell: Tomar ... Rick doesn't "do" the Message Board, so I'll take a swing ...
      »Wayne 37: I wasn't for sure, but I would have thought what Jay Cas posted was ...
      »TOMAR77: Thanks Dave for the response. So if a ball hits a D-Player goes ...
      »STL0: Tomar: What everyone is trying to say is that the runner at first ...
      »DaveDowell: Tomar ... The base runner must tag up on a caught "fly ball", but the ...
      »B.J.: TOMAR... you are making this harder than it should be.. The runner ...
      »marcster13: I am picturing this happening in real time. The runner would have ...
      »DaveDowell: That MAY well be accurate, but is inconsistent with the initial fact ...
      »TOMAR77: Got it. I interpreted timmyb's post, that the runner did NOT tag-up ...
      »TOMAR77: O.K, NOW I really got it ! Thanks to all who enlightened me. I did ...
      »stick8: Timmyb with due respect to that umpire it sounds like he botched the ...
28 Oct. 9, 2019 1123

is the runner out?

» 1jonsey: Runner is on 2b, the batter hits a ground ball up the middle and it ...
      »stick8: 1jonsey, in the play you described itís a live ball, runners are free ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I agree with you once the pitcher touches the ball it should ...
      »stick8: BJ, I judge it by the pitcher trying to make a play on the ball. ...
      »B.J.: stick.. yes I agree once the pitcher makes contact with the batted ...
      »stick8: I donít understand that one either BJ. From what I read Dave is ...
      »Wayne 37: Focus on the the part that says (excluding the pitcher). Very ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. you never gave an answer as to what your call would be.. is ...
      »1jonsey: thanx for responding, but I'm still not sure if the runner is out on ...
      »STL0: Runner on 2B is not out when touched by the ball after the pitcher ...
      »Wayne 37: ß8.2 C. only addresses one way a batter becomes a batter-runner and ...
      »1jonsey: wayne, why would the runner have to return to 2b, the rule says it's ...
      »Wayne 37: When it comes down to it, SSUSA rules seem to be a whole different ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. I don't think I've ever said this to you but you are right ...
      »Wayne 37: You just earned yourself a big eyeroll young man. If the umpire ...
      »1jonsey: will a senior softball staff member please take the time to answer my ...
      »TimMcElroy: 1jonsey If the pitcher makes a play on the ball and it deflects ...
      »1jonsey: Tim, thank you
      »Wayne 37: But that's not what the rule says. I've raised issues before about ...
      »TimMcElroy: 1jonsey. You are welcome.
      »B.J.: Tim.. thx for the clarification I wish you had gotten involved with ...
20 Oct. 6, 2019 1288

Make the Call

» Gonedeep43: Ran into a bit of a controversy yesterday at the 55M Worlds. The ...
      »Rick35: Pitch Count/ Men and Women 40, 50, 55 and 60 Age DivisionsēStarting ...
      »Gonedeep43: I'm 6'4" and the batter was under 6 feet, so it was definitely over ...
      »B.J.: gonedeep43.. if in the UMPIRES judgement (not the catcher) the ball ...
      »stick8: Gonedeep43 in ssusa a foul tip has to be above the batters head for ...
      »Wayne 37: Foul tip in softball...ÖÖ.pfft.
      »chico senior: What it the heck does that mean?
      »ju25: How does a major player have 2 foul tips in 1 at bat in softball. ...
      »Wayne 37: ju25, Because they are in actuality treated in the same manner as ...
      »L: Why not make it easy for the umpire and the players any foul ball ...
      »Wayne 37: I hear ya L. Total discrimination against those that are vertically ...
10 Sept. 28, 2019 813

Photo ID

» nate00: I lost my Senior photo ID card, can I use my DL in place of it?
      »DaveDowell: YES - So long as your registration is "current", you'll be able to ...
1 Sept. 22, 2019 130

Using a "no walks, strikes only" approach to shorten game time in a public league.

» Turbobob: My league is a local, non-tournament 65 plus senior softball league, ...
      »ffdonnie: Wow, with all those rules you mentioned, I definitely would not be ...
      »chico senior: Let me make sure I understand. You play a 9 inning game in 2-2.5 ...
      »Nancy Allen: Turbobob, honestly the only leagues that I have ever seen no walks in ...
      »DieselDan: Sorry TB, no suggestions, just surprised that your final two innings ...
      »ju25: Our 65+ league plays 9 and uses a 3-2 count with 3 runs per inning ...
      »mck71: TB - Personally I don't think "no walks" approach will shorten the ...
      »Turbobob: Responses to: chico senior, the focus of the question was to find ...
      »stick8: In USSSA we use what is referred to as the ďhurry upĒ rule. After the ...
      »chico senior: Your comment to Nancy are interesting. You state you donít want to ...
      »Nancy Allen: chico senior, I agree. Turbobob, if they want to stay with the ...
10 Sept. 16, 2019 773

Batting out of order

» AK4: When the defense appeals batting out of order after the incorrect ...
      »B.J.: AK4.. 1) R1 is still out.. B3 is called out and B4 bats again 2) ...
      »AK4: B.J...If R1 is on first and B4 bats in B3s spot and hits into a ...
      »B.J.: AK4.. No.. because B3 is charged with the 3rd out.. read C & D ...
      »B.J.: AK4.. 1 other thing I should have explained about your 2nd scenario ...
      »Wayne 37: Let me simplify this somewhat. The easiest way to understand a BOO ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. In layman's terms.. in all my years of umpiring I have never ...
      »Wayne 37: Like I stated, you don't move up the order. You ONLY move down!!!!
      »B.J.: lol... yes wayne you were correct on that part
      »Wayne 37: Here is what you fail to understand. Since B5 and B6 failed to ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. wow you just keep digging this whole deeper.. are you sure ...
      »Wayne 37: In your defense, I read this rule a while back and SUSSA leaves ...
11 Sept. 14, 2019 699

what's the call

» youngen: What's the call runner on first base and second base with no outs. ...
      »DaveDowell: youngen ... We answered this for you previously but, unfortunately, ...
      »Wayne 37: I and many other colleagues of mine use the term 'last time' by ...
      »stick8: Youngen, Dave is correct in his explanation. You said runner on ...
3 Sept. 3, 2019 648
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