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out or safe

» shortstop33: Batter hits ground ball to infielder, throw beats runner to first, ...
      »Turning2: SSUSA Definition 1.10 Catch You are correct, play must be ...
1 May 22, 2022 196

what's the ruling on ball over the foul line

» Larry S: Batter hits ball down 3rd base line. Ball stops in foul territory ...
      »DaveDowell: FOUL BALL ē You defined it in foul territory and further defined that ...
      »shortstop33: If any part of the ball is touching the line it is fair, even if the ...
      »DaveDowell: His statement of facts indicates that the ball was NOT touching the ...
3 May 22, 2022 226

Commitment line on a tag up.

» Bigtimer40: Had a situation come up this week. Zero outs runners on 1st and 2nd. ...
      »B.J.: bigtimer.. I don't have the runner from 2nd being out until the ...
      »fresnomdn: I would guess (and hope) that the commitment line issue would be ...
      »DaveDowell: fresnomdn ... To my knowledge, there is no known exception allowing a ...
      »B.J.: fresno.. I agree with DD if the runner had re-crossed the C/L he ...
      »curty: appears to be no commitment line violation from the op, but that ...
      »Bigtimer40: the commitment line violation isn't an out until it is recrossed is ...
      »mck71: CRAZY scenario! So SS should have tagged the runner going to 2B and ...
      »Mikelmart: Of course all of this is predicated on what the umpire saw. If the 2B ...
8 May 20, 2022 380

What's the call on a pitch

» Larry S: We have a player in our local league saying the plate umpire is ...
      »B.J.: once a pitch hits the ground it immediately becomes a dead BALL so ...
      »Rob64: What is this a joke? How is it possible to hit the ground and then ...
      »Omar Khayyam: Hey Rob64, it's not a joke at all. Many fields do not have dimensions ...
      »Scott Harder: Great that it will be called a ball as it should be, especially in ...
4 May 17, 2022 566

You make the call.

» Perl: Playing SPA, 11 defensive players. Visiting coach puts 10 on lineup ...
      »B.J.: perl.. you should have waited for him to bat again and if he got a ...
      »Schibs: Can I get an expanded explanation on why the player was allowed into ...
      »B.J.: actually I haven't worked a SPA game in years maybe for a better ...
      »berger: B.J., I agree with waiting until the batter completes the at bat. ...
      »DaveDowell: berger ... In SSUSA sanctioned play, the simple statement of the rule ...
5 May 16, 2022 341

obstruction or interferenci

» shortstop33: runner on base pop up fielder runs into runner standing on bag ...
      »B.J.: Iíd have no call other than a possible IF call and play on
      »shortstop33: I can't believe you have no answer for me BJ. There has to be a rule. ...
      »B.J.: SS.. the base is the runners safe haven itís where he belongs as long ...
      »Rob64: Runner has the right to the bag , if running fielder has the right to ...
      »Rob64: I.F. runners on 1st and 2nd with less than 2 outs.
      »lb16: Runner does not have to vacate bag in this situation in baseball or ...
6 May 12, 2022 321

Hitting the Gap

» Bigtimer40: On one of our fields the outfield fence sits on a hill and has a ...
      »DaveDowell: That appears to fit the definition of a ground rule double ... I've ...
      »Bigtimer40: That is how we have been calling it. It was argued that it was from ...
      »DaveDowell: Bigtimer40 ... I'm confident you/we have it right and the others ...
3 May 12, 2022 158

Open Innings. When does an inning start when we "finish this inning and next inning ...

» Teeter: Interpreting Rules 5.4C and 5.12. When does the open inning ...
      »coop3636: The next inning starts as soon as the 3rd out is made in the bottom ...
      »TimMcElroy: Here's how it works in most cases. The 6th inning begins at the ...
      »coop3636: Tim That is what I said, but you say it with much more ...
3 May 6, 2022 346

What's the Call?

» VegasBob: Popup to the catcher. He catches it with his back to the plate. ...
      »DieselDan: With no leads allowed, you were already tagged up on the catch. Next ...
      »B.J.: diesel.. you are correct you may not leave the bag before the ball is ...
      »Turning2: Diesel - BJ has your answer except substitute "after first touch of ...
      »B.J.: T2 .. yes I understand what you meant .. what I was saying was that ...
      »coop3636: It is bad, but if the umpires calls TIME, whether it is right or ...
5 May 5, 2022 507

You make the call

» Bruce M: League play. SSUSA rules. Runners on first and second. One out. ...
      »DirkPitt: I assume the ball was not caught based on your scenario. Because the ...
      »DieselDan: In rec games, it does seem more players make the call before the ...
      »Bruce M: Thx. Dirk and Dan. Yes, the ball landed in the short outfield. Your ...
      »Bruce M: I trust the tournament directors will correct me. I've done some ...
4 May 5, 2022 341

Same age, different divisions...

» D.Litch: I've been a party to lots of situations involving guys playing down ...
      »DaveDowell: Somebody is making up a rule on you if they told you that is allowed ...
      »D.Litch: Thank you Dave... I was scratching my head about that too.
      »DG-A: Is it possible to play at the same level in an older age group ...
      »DaveDowell: YES ... You may play across age lines if otherwise eligible as to age ...
      »stick8: Can a player who plays 60 major plus also play 50 triple A? (asking ...
      »HSquared: When looking at the Ratings Table, it would suggest yes, even though ...
      »DaveDowell: Yes, stick8, that's allowable in theory ... Both have a rating index ...
      »MurrayW: So if a "friend" plays 65, 60, and 55 all on Major Plus teams, is his ...
      »T-mon: Murray would love to meet your "friend", he must be your twin who ...
      »stick8: I will definitely tell him that!
      »edcampbell3: Last year 2 of my Teammates and I, played 50 AAA. We are no longer on ...
      »DaveDowell: Multiple issues, Ed, neither of which is very complicated ... [1] ...
      »edcampbell3: Thank you Dave
      »lowprofile: So Dave, Just curious with Ed's description and the releases being ...
      »DaveDowell: lowprofile ... Yes, each division (other than Major+, of course) may ...
      »country nap: if a player is playing 60 major plus can he also play vegas for a 65 ...
      »DaveDowell: NO ... A 60-Major+ team has a Rating Index (R/I) = 7 ... The R/I for ...
17 May 4, 2022 1812

You make the call

» stick8: Runner on 1st, 1 out. Batter hits a short fly ball to right field. ...
      »B.J.: stick... it's a 2 base award and the award will be determined by the ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Your statement of the rule is correct, but it appears from ...
      »B.J.: DD... ooops yup didn't read it correctly...but I liked my scenario ...
      »Turning2: Nice to be able to agree with DD, BJ youíre not reading the original ...
      »fresnomdn: Always two bases on this play no matter the direction of the runner. ...
      »Donna McGuire: Great explanation from fresnomdn. There is no special senior rule for ...
6 April 29, 2022 438

What does "Except for a wrong batter at bat" mean ??

» tedchmura: Looking at the Official SSUSA Rulebook SECTION 7 - Batting 7.1 ...
      »B.J.: this means if the wrong batter is "STILL AT BAT" and the defense ...
      »tedchmura: B.J. - thank you very much.
2 April 22, 2022 277

Bring bat to first base

» Michigan Vet: Had a play in a tournament this WE. Bases loaded 2 outs. Batter walks ...
      »DaveDowell: Under SSUSA sanction and rules, the only accurate description is: ...
      »TimMcElroy: In SSUSA play the batter-runner is NOT OUT when touching 1st base ...
      »Michigan Vet: Thx Dave That is what I thought. We were playing Florida Half ...
      »B.J.: Mich Vet .. I umpired FHC for many years and yes they do have a rule ...
      »Michigan Vet: BJ - It is in the Half Century Rules, a walk is a Dead Ball. Cannot ...
      »B.J.: MV.. yup just read it .. yeah I umpired them about 10 yrs ago ... ...
6 April 13, 2022 673

Home Run Rule

» Advil Knight: If a player hits a home run over the fence and chooses to run all the ...
      »DieselDan: I imagine he's safe since under normal home runs, batter and base ...
      »B.J.: with an OTF HR or 4 base award there is no touch 1 base rule .. the ...
      »Turning2: BJ - Apply SSUSA Rules 5.7, 8.1, 8.4(7) and 8.9(2) equally to the ...
      »B.J.: T2... I was referring to 8.4(7) in my above post (NOTE: The batter ...
      »Turning2: BJ - i referred to 8.4(7) also with emphasis on how the SSUSA Rule is ...
      »AJC: This happened to us last year in Vegas at the Worlds. The other team ...
6 April 7, 2022 809

bases loaded but no advancement

» Bigtimer40: Had a situation last night where bases were loaded zero outs. Ground ...
      »B.J.: if the fielder touches the bag 1st I have the runner advancing from ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. is correct, but the 3B missed a very easy double (or triple) ...
2 April 6, 2022 342

Batting out of order

» Nvjimmymac: A pinch runner who is going to bat soon is put in to run. As luck ...
      »lowprofile: 8.5(4) ē COURTESY RUNNER COMING TO BAT WHILE ON BASE A courtesy ...
      »DaveDowell: Yes, your team actually did that in St. George, and the umpire called ...
      »Enviro-Vac: Could the runner not be replaced by a substitute player who is on the ...
      »titanhd: Respectfully disagree .Wouldn't Technically the batting order HITTER ...
      »B.J.: Enviro-Vac.. even if the substitute was allowed (which it isn't) he ...
      »DaveDowell: Rulebook ß8.5(4) ē COURTESY RUNNER COMING TO BAT WHILE ON BASE A ...
      »Q19: Can't you just substitute him in the batting order before his place ...
      »Dbax: Itís mind boggling that so many donít know this rule! Happens all the ...
      »stick8: Itís pretty simple. If youíre a courtesy runner and your turn to bat ...
      »ebo17: Q19 may be on to something. Q19 is my P and bats 11th in the ...
      »Dbax: Nope, canít do it. Thatís what everyone trie's to say when they get ...
      »DaveDowell: ebo17 ... Q19 is onto the actual issue that prevents avoiding the out ...
      »STL0: If the runner on third was paying attention or anyone else on the ...
      »Turning2: DD - you and others have done an admirable job explaining to the ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... It's not the same analysis ... The CR rule/substitute issue ...
      »Turning2: DD - i contend that you and others take too literal of an ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... It's not that big a deal ... If "Joe's Not Here!", he's out #1 ...
      »DirkPitt: T2, your scenario sounds valid but the SSUSA ITB rule is very clear ...
      »B.J.: T2 .. there is no other way to take the rule but literally it's in ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Unless the original ITB designated runner entered the game ...
      »Turning2: DD, DirkPitt, BJ Would we all agree that the SSUSA Rule 5.4(2) ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... The National Rules Committee members enjoy the same ...
      »Turning2: Thanks Dave, Iíll send in a couple of recommendations/proposals for ...
      »B.J.: DD.. yes I agree 100% .. BUT .. how would it be handled if they ...
      »DaveDowell: Purely a random guess, because I don't think I've ever seen a team go ...
      »B.J.: I was leaning toward the illegal substitution appeal also
      »Turning2: BJ and DD - in your last two posts you have questions about the ...
      »Turning2: BJ & DD pardon - one correction above - same result Joe replaced by ...
      »DaveDowell: I have no questions whatsoever about the content, intent and clarity ...
      »Turning2: DD - Then please answer this question, Who takes the position as the ...
      »B.J.: T2.. I understand how you THINK you are applying the rule correctly ...
      »DaveDowell: After this (hopefully) brief comment, I'm done with this annoying ...
32 April 2, 2022 1214

A pitched ball hits the strike mat

» Schwaz: Our recreation league umpires itself so, we have very few experienced ...
      »DaveDowell: DEAD BALL STRIKE ... Here's the rule ... ß7.4 ē STRIKE CALLED BY ...
      »Schwaz: DaveDowell thanks, much appreciated. I just found the same Rule on ...
2 April 1, 2022 406

How would you rule the call

» Larry S: Local Senior League. Runner on first. Batter hits a fly to left, ...
      »DaveDowell: Presuming there was no second umpire on the game for consultation, ...
      »B.J.: I agree with D2 and even if it was a 2 man system the base umpire ...
      »1bounce: Sorry bj but that is the base umpire call. When he makes the call he ...
      »B.J.: 1bounce.. I disagree .. in 99% of 2 man systems the HP umpire has all ...
      »1bounce: Negative bj. Iíve worked 1,2,3,and 4 man. Your assuming the home ...
      »B.J.: 1bounce.. so you are saying that HP watches the catch but then looks ...
      »Hank Heffner: 1 man of course home plates call. 2 man home plate has catch no ...
      »Larry S: Just to clarify, there was one ump at home plate.
      »B.J.: 1bounce.. SSUSA does not have a positioning manual so this is from ...
      »Hank Heffner: BJ you are 100% correct.
      »stick8: Larry if the umpire ruled it a catch, itís a catch! What the left ...
      »The Screamer5: That's the mechanic we've always used. All outfield fly ball catches ...
      »DieselDan: Yes, a pre game discussion should always have the plate umpire remind ...
13 March 24, 2022 586

Interference or Obstruction or no call

» BillC48: This happened at a local rec league game and I need the assistance of ...
      »Turning2: Tough one here to call without seeing the play unfold. I initially ...
      »B.J.: BillC... hmmm did you happen to attend my umpire clinic in The ...
      »BillC48: HI BJ & Turning2- Thank you both for your responses. An no, I was not ...
      »Saratoga2: A question occurred relative to the interference rule in our senior ...
      »B.J.: Hmmm.. I thought you said this was a senior league and not a 10 and ...
5 March 15, 2022 764
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