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Base runner tagging up on a bobbled fly ball to the outfield.

» Turbobob: Scenario is less than 2 outs, base runner on 3rd base. Fly ball to ...
      »Frischd44: From my understanding, once it hit's the glove the runner has the ...
      »DaveDowell: We concur with Frischd44 ... __________ Rulebook 8.4(8) WHEN ...
      »stick8: Turbo bob, legal tag. On a fly ball (with less than 2 outs) a runner ...
      »DieselDan: I might have this wrong, but I believe this rule changed from control ...
      »Wayne 37: On a ball over foul territory, the fielder has to complete the act of ...
      »mad dog: wayne....but yet the runner can still take off on the first touch ...
      »Dbax: Oh no. It's Deja Vu all over again. Mad Dog you are correct.
      »lb16: It's amazing how someone will try and twist the words around in the ...
      »Nancy Allen: mad dog, you are correct. Whether the ball is fair or foul is not ...
      »Wayne 37: What's even more amazing is I get my information from umpires who ...
10 Jan. 18, 2019 565

Base runner struck by batted ball : Changed Rule

» Fearless Freep: I am perplexed by one of the changes that came out of December's ...
      »DaveDowell: Fearless ... Looks as though the Rulebook editor (that would be me!), ...
      »Wayne 37: before it passes an infielder (excluding the pitcher), the ball is ...
2 Jan. 18, 2019 407

Interference by a base runner ?????

» baseballbill: Base runner on 1st base and the infield is deep with the pitcher ...
      »B.J.: bbb.. this is a judgement call by the umpire.. but as you described ...
1 Jan. 11, 2019 146

drop down box for rules under the title TOURNAMENTS

» cannon: Need to fix the drop down box under TOURNAMENTS = it disappears when ...
      »DaveDowell: Ummmm, it's supposed to! ... Because when you click on RULES, it ...
      »cannon: Ummmmm, it won't let you CLICK on rules!
      »DaveDowell: I just tried it on six different computers and two phones in the ...
      »TimMcElroy: cannon- I think that I see what you problem is. Try this: Put ...
      »cannon: Nope, didn't work. Someone else in discussions had the same problem. ...
      »B.J.: cannon.. yes all the top row that have icons below are hard to get to ...
      »MartyM: Simple reason is your browser Zoom is a bit too high. Just try a ...
      »TexasTransplant: canon, I have the same problem on my Mac. Prompted by your post, I ...
      »k man: canon, I also had the same problem about a month ago. I noticed that ...
      »T.C.Sr.: Same problem here. But did what Tim said and while that tab was still ...
      »Nancy Allen: I know that we talked about this a few other times. It just won't ...
11 Jan. 10, 2019 319

Number of Eligible Players?

» cannon: How many 78's and 79's are allowed for 2019 on an 80 team? How many ...
      »DaveDowell: 80+ teams may have up to SEVEN players under age 80, with not more ...
      »cannon: Thanks, Dave This also falls in line with our NorCal Ass'n rules.
      »DaveDowell: cannon ... I believe that conformance is the NCSSA's intent ... Our ...
3 Jan. 8, 2019 97

Help settle player eligibility issue

» curveball: Player plays entire season at the 75 Major Plus level. The following ...
      »Lefty: That's a good question. I'd like to know the answer.
      »missouridave: As is always the case, the best way to get the correct answer is to ...
      »SSUSA Staff: YES he may play 70-AAA after receiving his release from the 70-Major ...
      »SSUSA Staff: Forgot to mention the actual rule that governs the original question ...
      »MurrayW: Please help me clarify this for me. In the example above, the 75 ...
      »DaveDowell: MurrayW ... Please take a look at the "Team Rating Index" chart ...
      »MurrayW: Thanks Dave, that's what I thought it was but was just a little ...
7 Jan. 7, 2019 464

Courtesy runner

» Wayne 37: 8.5(5) COURTESY RUNNER OFFICIALLY IN THE GAME A courtesy ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. i think you meant that you CAPITALIZED.. or maybe you need ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... This one was pretty simple ... At the 2016 Rules Committee ...
      »stick8: Wayne37 youre pretty much spot on. I dont umpire senior ball as ...
      »B.J.: Dave, I think a bigger change in the rule is that a C/R can only be ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. - I agree on the second sentence (A courtesy runner may enter ...
      »B.J.: Dave, (. A few umpires actually heard/saw the CR announce, waited ...
      »stick8: BJ, youre correct about the first pitch to the next batter, thats ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... In every Manager Meeting I have either chaired or ...
      »stick8: Yes, that sounds about right. It helps to have an alert ...
      »Sisavic: Dave, Please clarify this statement/rule. "A courtesy runner ...
      »Wayne 37: I understand about the reporting to and being acknowledged by the ...
      »B.J.: sisavic.. yes a runner can get a CR with every new batter.. BEFORE ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. sorry, I don't think a decoder ring would help.. especially ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... "..I can say I've seen an illegal courtesy runner entered ...
      »B.J.: lol Dave, that's why they $PAY$ you the big money and I will try ...
      »stick8: Dave that must have been a wild scene!! As an umpire and a hs ...
      »DaveDowell: stick8 ... I wrestled with that later, since I now believe it was a ...
      »stick8: Dave, its not an appeal play per se but the effect can be the same. ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ does it most correctly by making notes on the runners; I fail on ...
      »Wayne 37: I see the Grinch is back in town. I've raised my questions because ...
      »Wayne 37: Sorry, just trying to have a civil discussion on the wording of the ...
      »Nancy Allen: No need to apologize. You started a couple of threads on rules that ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Looks like maybe a case of excessive picking at nits here, ...
      »Wayne 37: Wasn't apologizing to you. Was apologizing to the board. Besides, ...
      »Wayne 37: Sorry again, Dave. You posted before I did. I understand. I just ...
      »DaveDowell: No worries, Wayne ... We'll "all in" on improving performance and ...
      »Wayne 37: Not a problem there, Dave. I just know it's hard to get experienced ...
27 Dec. 27, 2018 910

Purpose of the rule

» Wayne 37: I don't understand the purpose of this rule nor why it exists in the ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Let's start with an accurate statement of the rule ...
      »Wayne 37: I copied the new rule amendment. I guess some of it didn't ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne ... Thanks for the input, both previous and current ... The ...
      »curty: At Worlds @ Vegas a few years ago the following occurred: bases ...
      »stick8: Curry that is a heads up play on your part!! With no outs Id be ...
      »curty: stick- we had already discussed going 2nd to 1st to home- confident ...
      »Wayne 37: Two questions. Did F5 tag the runner going to 3B as stepping on 2B ...
      »curty: Wayne- 3rd baseman tagged runner about 15' in front of base with ...
8 Dec. 27, 2018 1032
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SSUSA NATIONAL RULES COMMITTEE 2018 Annual Meeting Minutes

» SSUSA Staff: The link below redirects to the Official Minutes of the 2018 SSUSA ...
      »SSUSA Staff: RULEBOOK AMENDMENTS 2018 Technical Language Changes The link ...
      »SSUSA Staff: OFFICIAL 2019-20 SSUSA RULEBOOK ONLINE The 2019-20 electronic ...
2 Dec. 18, 2018 1831

Carry Bat

» seniorsoftballnut: Question can you carry your bat with you to first base after you hit ...
      »lb16: If it is hit and sit rules it doesn't matter if you touch 1st with ...
      »r4pitch: Why would you want too.. Dont know the rule.Should be a out.Reid
      »B.J.: yes in SSUSA you can carry the bat all the way around all the bases ...
      »SOFTBALLNUTZ: seniorsoftballnut Hope you and yours are doing well. Haven't ...
      »Wayne 37: yes in SSUSA you can carry the bat all the way around all the bases ...
      »k man: I know there is no SSUSA rule for this but I knew I saw it somewhere. ...
6 Dec. 16, 2018 490

WALKOFF 4-Base Award

» SCUBA: With the game tied and men on base, if a 4-Base Award (Rule 8.4(7)) ...
      »B.J.: 1) yes all runners would score on a 4 base award 2) a ground rule ...
      »DaveDowell: SCUBA and B.J. ... A four-base award is treated like a home run under ...
      »B.J.: Dave, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning on why all the runs ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... In the SSUSA Rulebook, the four-base-award is treated the ...
      »Wayne 37: To clarify: Runners are placed from their last legally obtained ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. there cannot be an award of bases assessed, as in a ground ...
      »DaveDowell: Wayne 37 ... No clarification required ... This is slow pitch ...
      »Wayne 37: Clarifying once more: I was referring to SSUSA only. Their rule ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. a "ground rule double" is called exactly that because of the ...
      »DaveDowell: And I'm guessing S. I. Hayakawa is turning over in his grave about ...
10 Dec. 14, 2018 683

Pitching screen rules

» jfsully: Just a few clarification questions on pitching screen rules (esp ...
      »DaveDowell: jfsully ... There is no provision in the SSUSA Rulebook regarding the ...
      »jfsully: Thanks Dave, you are always great and quick to respond. I think FL ...
2 Dec. 6, 2018 216

rules question

» cop298: im a reading it wrong under ranking guidelines... a major plus player ...
      »DaveDowell: cop298 ... I presume you are talking about the Rules Committee's ...
      »BruceinGa: Bret, is your question in reference to me? :)
      »DaveDowell: Bruce ... I made the same initial mistake ... This "Q" is by COP298 ...
      »coop3636: Hey Bruce No that wasn't me, but according to the chart, you are ...
      »BruceinGa: Dave, wow, only the first two characters are alike! I too should ...
      »Gavin5: So Dave, in your rules example-- "A player on a 55-Major division ...
      »DaveDowell: Gavin5 ... A player may play down ONE equivalent rating level if he ...
7 Dec. 4, 2018 733

Major Plus Plus rule.

» Gorilla Boy: I did see a post on another social media site Dave and I wanted to ...
      »DaveDowell: Mike ... Click on the (currently) top message posted here for a link ...
      »Enviro-Vac: There are some rather interesting changes. Am I interpreting 13.1 ...
      »Gorilla Boy: Thanks Dave... Will do. Hoping you and Fran have a great holiday ...
      »DaveDowell: Enviro-Vac ... YES
      »neck10: why does major plus get all the attention why not 4 for major plus 3 ...
      »neck10: if a guy moves & still wants to play with his boy's but cant afford a ...
6 Dec. 4, 2018 846

You make the call

» HAT MAN: Just for knowledge wanted an answer on a play we had that didn't ...
      »azmike: well all runners need to touch the next base or it will be a dead ...
      »B.J.: hat man.. the rule says that the defense can make an appeal before ...
      »marcster13: First off any defensive player who leaves the ball in fair territory ...
      »HAT MAN: To be clear the rf played close enough to throw runner out if it was ...
      »Wayne 37: Actually this isn't an appeal play, so it doesn't matter what ...
      »stick8: Hat Man, since you stated all but 3 fielders went into the dugout, ...
      »B.J.: wayne is actually part right on the B/R not touching 1st base .. he ...
      »TimMcElroy: SSUSA RULE 8.3c (page 45) Batter-Runner is out when he fails to ...
      »Wayne 37: Why does the runner that was on 1B and that didn't go 2B need an ...
      »DaveDowell: Maybe, just MAYBE, the two teams involved came to a logical, quick ...
      »stick8: Dave you make a valid point. We had this discussion the other nignt ...
      »Benji4: COMMON SENSE. Damn what a novel concept. If we could just make a ...
      »chico senior: I agree with Dave and Benj4. COMMON SENSE! I hate the umpire that ...
      »stick8: Benji4, Amen to that!!
      »the car: this sounds like a major plus game with 7 runs so they have been ...
      »Bigboy97xp: I can't remember Dave ever saying ignore a rule in this case when the ...
      »DaveDowell: After re-reading what I posted, it still doesn't appear that I ...
      »Bigboy97xp: I just thought I would add my opinion as I have worked with you for ...
      »B.J.: Dave, now I'm confused.. ( Did he make the technically correct ...
      »B.J.: as for HAT MANS "stump the ump" OP.. after thinking on this and ...
      »stick8: Dave, Im not so sure about that scenario. There are teams who have ...
      »Bigboy97xp: If it was the last play of the game and the umpires had left the ...
      »B.J.: stick8.. usually the C/R can be called out until a pitch to the next ...
      »stick8: Sounds about right to me BJ. I might add that when the ump calls ...
      »Wayne 37: stick8, What can't appeals be made after the umpire says ball ...
      »Wayne 37: Dave, I can see the original scenario happening in a senior game. ...
      »stick8: Wayne37 you bring up an interesting situation. Consider what I had ...
      »Wayne 37: stick8, I can say that is one of the worst calls I've ever heard. ...
28 Nov. 30, 2018 1131

BJ

» stick8: BJ, I only know the usssa rule. To answer your question: if the ump ...
      »Wayne 37: Stick8, When an umpire signals and verbalizes the act of ...
      »B.J.: lol.. I think we need to start 1 more new post on this wayne .. ...
      »The Screamer5: Just my 2 cents as a player and coach, but I always thought that when ...
      »Wayne 37: Here is the SSUSA rule that you so proudly states your case: ...
      »Wayne 37: The Screamer5, It is umpire jugdement of where the runner(s) are ...
      »Nancy Allen: I think that the response of "I've got nothing" is perfect from ...
      »mck71: Wayne: No disrespect but there isn't a Section 7. E in 2017-2018 ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. lmao.. you are really SPOT ON this time .. congratulations.. ...
      »B.J.: mck71.. on the 8.4 (10)A 1 .. this part of the rule would be used ...
      »TimMcElroy: How about you folks just agree to disagree and move on?
      »T.C.Sr.: Tim, This thread kind of reminds me of the old Abbot and Costello ...
      »mck71: TIM!!! Welcome back to the cold buddy? :-) BJ - Thx, had to go ...
      »DaveDowell: T.C.Sr. ... While it's a good analogy about Abbott & Costello, I was ...
      »B.J.: Tim.. just trying to get the correct ruling for those that ask... and ...
      »B.J.: Dave.. lol.. spoken like a true Californian .. but it's not legal yet ...
      »Wayne 37: Before BJ and Nancy pee themselves, I erroneously typed SSUSA instead ...
      »B.J.: wayne .. even though we always disagree with each other over ...
17 Nov. 20, 2018 486

BJ

» stick8: BJ, I only know the usssa rule. To answer your question: if the ump ...
      »Nancy Allen: stick8, I respectfully disagree. I will use an example of my ...
      »coop3636: Miss Nancy I have to add a few things. BJ,if obstruction is ...
      »Garocket: The ASA or USA softball now. The rule is you cannot ever be put out ...
      »Nancy Allen: Coop, I always like talking softball with you. In my scenario if he ...
      »B.J.: stick8.. you are correct in U-Trip on the OBS rule I haven't worked ...
      »B.J.: coop 3636.. I half agree with you.. yes the base award (if any) would ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, spot on as usual. I am sorry if I didn't pick the rules out that ...
      »B.J.: Garocket.. I'm going to have to half agree with you also.. you ...
      »B.J.: Nancy...lol .. I know my wife tells me she never makes mistakes all ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, so she potentially made one mistake? I do make mistakes, but I ...
      »stick8: BJ, the difference I see in ssusa and usssa is in ssusa the umpire ...
      »stick8: Nancy, what you describe is correct for ssusa. I was in usssa mode!!
      »B.J.: stick.. yes.. exactly.. there is no automatic award of 1 base in ...
      »Wayne 37: This is so simple to understand, but BJ and Nanny come along and mess ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. this is a SSUSA senior softball web site if you disagree with ...
15 Nov. 17, 2018 458

Obstruction

» azcard: BatterRunner hits ball to the fence, rounds first obstructed by the ...
      »B.J.: it's all the judgement of the umpire.. when OBS occurs the umpire ...
      »Wayne 37: azcard, By rule the runner is only protected to 2B. You said the ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. you stated .. By rule the runner is only protected to 2B. ...
      »lb16: B.J. - Is correct runner is always awarded base that would have been ...
      »Wayne 37: Let me break this down for you Mr. Fountain of Misinformation. ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. seriously.. please read a SSUSA softball rule book and quit ...
      »stick8: BJ, Im not so sure Wayne37 is incorrect in what he says. Consider a ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I know of no "minimum 1 base award" as he stated again only ...
      »Wayne 37: BJ, there is a lot you don't know. Let's take your scenario for ...
      »Wayne 37: I might like to add, minimum means in the very least a runner is ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. lol.. you are hilarious.. and what I do know is that you are ...
      »Wayne 37: Can I explain something without you throwing another hissy fit? I ...
      »B.J.: wayne.. PLEASE.. where is this fictitious rule that you keep ...
      »Nancy Allen: BJ, the only thing that I have ever seen you wrong about was that ...
14 Nov. 16, 2018 541

out of play

» grayhitter59: Ball is hit to the outfield, runner on first heads to 3rd base, ball ...
      »Spock: Ball is out of play, Advance 1 base.
      »DaveDowell: Manny ... Unless, of course, your stated fact pattern had him going ...
      »Nancy Allen: ...only on the appeal.
      »1bounce: 1plus 1 from the time the ball left the throwers hand. If he had not ...
      »B.J.: below is the rule for the above scenario 8.4(10) WHEN RUNNERS ...
      »grayhitter59: No Dave he did not go across the diamond, LMAO. (little ...
      »Wayne 37: grayhitter59, the easy way to remember is that all runners/batter ...
      »stick8: Grayhitter59, I have a dead ball, runners get 2 bases from the time ...
      »neck10: what if infieder threw the ball
      »neck10: what if he had passed second but was returning to second!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      »grayhitter59: I just don't understand why the defense is penalized, when the throw ...
      »Nancy Allen: grayhitter59, do you really believe that the runner intentionally let ...
      »grayhitter59: Nancy great point, the runner was ok, LOL. My point if these ...
      »stick8: Neck10, I believe its still two bases from the time of the throw in ...
      »stick8: Grayhitter59, thats the widely held belief but strangely enough its ...
      »mck71: If I am correct, the ONLY times that hitting a runner benefits the ...
      »B.J.: mck71 you are correct on the B/R running to 1st base unless he has ...
      »grayhitter59: I just don't understand why the defense is penalized, when the throw ...
      »Garciastars: grayhitter - obviously you don't understand why the defense would be ...
      »Wayne 37: BJ37 writes: mck71 you are correct on the B/R running to 1st base ...
      »grayhitter59: Graciastars, nothing to get over. these play did not happen to my ...
      »stick8: Grayhitter59, lets take your original play. Since you sometimes ...
      »grayhitter59: I see your point. stick8.
23 Nov. 15, 2018 667

What constitutes an unsafe bat

» BillC48: I umpire in a senior softball community league. We had an interesting ...
      »BillC48: Sorry guys... I meant SSUSA. My fingers didn't type what my mind was ...
      »B.J.: billc.. you are correct on the USA/ASA rule for unsafe bat.. SSUSA ...
      »neck10: why do some umpires ask you to put a piece of tape on the knob which ...
      »titanhd: Neck. ASA knob cuff must be taped. SSUSA has no such rule language.
4 Nov. 14, 2018 472
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