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Hitter Not Running» shortstop33: base loaded no outs batter hits ball in to out, which is clearly a ...»grayhitter59: an out is recorded and the run scores, if it's the 5th run end of ... »B.J.: your UIC is correct.. I don't like that the rule is written this way ... »k man: Wow! This comes under the category of you learn something new ... »Duke: We have so many ridiculous rules in senior softball, and this is just ... »shortstop33: What is different than him hitting a sac fly. If he just stands at ... »shortstop33: Also once the winning run or 5/7 has scored the inning or game is over »Duke: If a sac fly situation occurs, then the batter-runner does not have ... »Wayne 37: Well, ain't another one for the ages. This situation is called ... |
8 | Aug. 15, 2018 | 138 |
Qualifier Question» robs1tko: I've played in SSUSA Qualifier to be eligible for Vegas but what if ...»DaveDowell: robs1tko ... You're not "stuck", but time is running short for you to ... »Paco12: Excuse the heck out of me a "eligibility specialist". I need a job ... »DaveDowell: Paco12 ... There are only a couple of them, and they're really good ... |
3 | Aug. 15, 2018 | 217 |
commitment line stepover standoff» jfsully: The discussion about running to the commitment line, stopping and ...»B.J.: 1).. if the runner stops at the C/L the pitcher should cross over to ... »DaveDowell: IF I'm the Tournament/Field Director and IF the umpire were to call ... »k man: I would think that the impetus to force the situation would be on the ... »Joe H: Sorry for being a late responder. On May 12, the message board had ... »JohnBob: If the 3 baseman is next to runner standing at the commitment line he ... »Nancy Allen: Joe H, this is my opinion only. In 21 years of officiating senior ... »the car: Nancy on this the runner is stand at the line and is read to touch ... »MurrayW: I'm with JohnBob. Seems like a very easy play for a 3rd baseman who ... »Nancy Allen: the car, thanks I get that, but I think that even I could tag him ... »BruceAZ: My team has done this scenario twice in the last 2 years, a team mate ... »Nancy Allen: BruceAZ, it's probably not a good idea if you get ejected for the ... »MurrayW: Again, I don't see you this is a hard play for a 3rd baseman to make ... »MurrayW: how instead of you in the first sentence above. »JohnBob: Right on Murray if nothing else flake like you are going to tag him ... »Joe H: Forgive me all, but I guess I didn't get my point across. I've seen ... »The Screamer5: Joe H, I could be wrong but my interpretation of the commitment line ... »B.J.: Joe, I understand what you are trying to say but I think you are ... »stick8: JoeH in your example it’s not so much the base runner must continue ... |
18 | Aug. 15, 2018 | 951 |
Ball carried out of play» OZ40: Less than 2 outs, runners on 2nd and 3rd, outfielder catches foul ...»Dbax: One base. »stick8: Oz, batter is out, dead ball and runner(s) on base move up one base. »Wayne 37: A ball touched over foul territory is a dead ball, unless it is what ... »Nancy Allen: It's readily available under Rules. »B.J.: wayne37.. you have most of it correct.. but there is no difference ... »Wayne 37: B.J., I'm not incorrect on that. Any ball touched over foul ... »Nancy Allen: Wayne37, my statement referred to the rulebook for senior softball ... »B.J.: wayne.. this is not baseball.. Nancy is correct MLB rules are very ... »Nancy Allen: Morning, sunshine. As always I appreciate your common sense ... »k man: Wayne37, you use your example as to why runners have to retag after a ... »stick8: Wayne37 I believe your incorrect on this. Baseball may be different ... »Wayne 37: Nope. I'm not wrong......and why are rules under TOURNAMENTS? I did ... »Nancy Allen: Clueless, Joe Jackson. Remind me to bring protest money if I ever ... »B.J.: wayne.. I have no idea why you would attempt to answer Senior ... »Wayne 37: There are certain tournament directors that don't know the rules, so ... »Nancy Allen: Rulebook is worded correctly. You just have to have the capacity to ... »k man: I think we are all in agreement that it's the location of the ball ... »Wayne 37: Nancy, umpires like you are a dime a dozen. You think you're just a ... »Nancy Allen: After you insulting a director and North Koreans, I consider that a ... »stick8: Wayne37, you are correct. A ball touched in foul territory is a foul ... »B.J.: wayne, I do have 20 yrs experience.. I have umpired, directed and ... »Wayne 37: I will explain one more time why the rule as written is flawed. ... |
22 | Aug. 12, 2018 | 710 |
Calling High Pitches» VegasBob: In an effort to help coach one of my batters, I'll tell them "high" ...»Nancy Allen: VegasBob, I would be glad to have a nice discussion with you offline ... »VegasBob: So this appears a tricky line to cross. A 1st or 3rd base coach can ... »Nancy Allen: Yes, it is. I don't think that safe is cool either. I call your ... »VegasBob: Thank you, Nancy Allen. Your comments are appreciated. »B.J.: VegasBob, I've never had a problem with an offensive player or ... »Nancy Allen: VegasBob, thank you. It is not good to be known as "that ... »marcster13: Calling out "illegal" should not be done. In SSUSA the ump must call ... »Nancy Allen: Margaret13, it is always called at its highest point in the air. So ... »Nancy Allen: Marcster13, sorry, my autocorrect had fun with your handle. No ... »lb16: VegasBob - just curious what do you say to your batters when you yell ... »Nancy Allen: lb16, you made my concern much more to the point on the batters, but ... »marcster13: Nancy- I've been call much worse things. HaHa My point was if only ... »Nancy Allen: marcster13, well, that is good. I have this one tablet that I really ... »Reggie4's: As an umpire and a player, who got rung up this past weekend on a ... »Bob S.: I don't think it helps a batter to have anyone other than the umpire ... »Nancy Allen: Reggie4's, I hope that you mean twelve and not ten for senior ... »k man: While we're on the topic of people calling out who shouldn't, are ... »Nancy Allen: k man, in theory the answer is yes. I personally have never had a ... »Reggie4's: Nopw!!! what I wrote is what I meant »Nancy Allen: Reggie4's, interesting, I get it. I have been wondering as many ... »VegasBob: I believe 10 ft. max would add more offense to the game, but do we ... »Mr. Nick: Since I'm a pitcher, I'm very critical when umpires call illegal ... »AJC: Last thing i would want is anyone from my team to call illegal or ... »Nancy Allen: Mr. Nick, I agree. Umpires are always reminded, but after pondering ... »JDub: As a Pitcher, I Totally Agree with Mr. Nick! As an Umpire, I ... »Reggie4's: JDub sounds like you agree with most of my officiating philosophy, ... »B94: I think if they went to a 10' ceiling you see more 12' pitches being ... »Nancy Allen: Reggie4's, now they might be able to guess who that older player was ... »Nancy Allen: B94, I have found this so fascinating with so many players advocating ... »Duke: Mr. Nick, No umpire can call the height limit correctly, ... »Nancy Allen: Duke, you might not want to ask them, but I would be curious to know ... »RALEIGH: Please let's not entertain lowering the pitch height to 10'. I have ... »Duke: RALEIGH, I concur with you. SSUSA has an allowable pitching arc of ... »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, the players asking to lower the ceiling to 10' was a ... »RALEIGH: Another problem with SSUSA going to a 10' has already been ... »RALEIGH: Nancy, I understand the argument. Most players have not umpired and ... »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, you have definitely thought about this a lot too, and I ... »k man: A few years ago, in our senior league, the head umpire who teaches ... »Nancy Allen: First, I apologize to anyone that thinks that I have talked on this ... »garyheifner: Just played SPA-NIT Had an ump locked in on 6-10 and didn't give a ... »Mr. Nick: garyheifner, I feel your pain. I just got done pitching at the ... »Nancy Allen: Mr. Nick, do you happen to know what association those umpires ... »k man: As I reading this thread, on TV Mad Dog and Bill Rifken are ... »lb16: Would love to have some of these umpires yall are complaining about ... »Nancy Allen: lb16, do you know what association they usually work when not doing ... »marcster13: I played this past weekend in Westerns. I personally encountered more ... »Duke: marcster13, I prefer the umpire make the correct call with the flight ... »lb16: Nancy, don't know what associations they call besides seniors these ... »Nancy Allen: Thank you, lb16. I have some theories on quirks of the major ... »DW_7: HIGH or ILLEGAL pitches is one of the hardest things for umpires to ... »Omar Khayyam: As a pitcher for 66 seasons, most of them in slow pitch, I have a ... |
51 | Aug. 7, 2018 | 1224 |
Intentional walk» J R: Looking fort the rule governing a team declaring multiple walks to ...»B.J.: JR.. is this what you mean?? this is the only intentional walk rule ... »DaveDowell: J R ... Not sure what hypothetical fact pattern gives rise to your ... »J R: Thx. That is it I just overlooked it. The opposing pitcher said to ... »Nancy Allen: Dave, I have never had it happen in seniors but have had it happen to ... »Fred S: I've done it a few times in league play to take away the heart of the ... »DaveDowell: Thanks Nancy, I hadn't thought about that one ... But I'm not ... »Nancy Allen: Dave, you know that I am the sweetest umpire ever until a player ... »Reggie4's: The Best Umpires are those that let the PLAYERS determine (by their ... »RALEIGH: Nancy you seem like a very level headed and intelligent individual, ... »Nancy Allen: Raleigh, thank you for the kind words. I have been involved with ... |
10 | Aug. 4, 2018 | 629 |
Terminology» garyheifner: This may sound silly on the surface. However, we have had 5 maybe ...»B.J.: gary.. I'm not disagreeing with you but I think the late illegal ... »Nancy Allen: Gary, since the call is made based on the height of the arch, it is ... »B.J.: Nancy.. i think it's even more important when starting with a 1-1 ... »stick8: Garyheifner I believe it’s an excellent topic. Quite a few years ago ... »B.J.: stick.. I always call illegal loud enough for the batter and the ... »garyheifner: Nancy U brought up a whole different subject that should be ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, you definitely have my respect. I will enforce whatever rules ... »lb16: In my opinion pitch height should be moved to 10' right now with most ... »Nancy Allen: Lb16, well, you represent where I thought this might be a popular ... »HJ: I have been told that if an illegal pitch is thrown (too high or too ... »Nancy Allen: HJ, to me it is a correctable error. I am not sure that the ... »stick8: Unfortunately this has happened to me on occasion and what I do is ... »rtaven: Only the top 10% of umpires understand what 6' is. I personally can ... »DieselDan: I wonder how many umpires, who know how tall they are, take the time ... »Nancy Allen: Rtaven, by your definition I guess that I am in the bottom 90 ... »DaveDowell: Nancy ... I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to fathom why the height of ANY ... »Nancy Allen: Dave, oddly enough that is sort of my point. 6' is always 6'. I ... »DaveDowell: Nancy ... That presentation is an "element of style" in writing ... ... »Nancy Allen: Dave, thank you for the lesson. The editors are all in your court; ... »B.J.: wow...lol... integers, hyphenated... and here I am just a poor ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, thank you for the smile. Maybe I need to retire too. Maybe ... »k man: Dave, I think height becomes a relative easy guide post for those ... »Tremor: 6-10 foot arc? You've got my vote! Definitely would be easier for ... »DaveDowell: k man ... Keep a pencil and notepad by your Lazy-Boy recliner and jot ... »Graphite: May I suggest the clinic trainers use a 12 ft. bream buster with a ... »Nancy Allen: K man, nice thinking. I don't like to tell you this, but I don't get ... »B.J.: I think ASA went to 10' because they mainly do young guys .. not much ... »Nancy Allen: BJ, I agree that attrition may have been the reason for ASA's change. ... »DW_7: I ump Major League Softball a little in SoCal where all umpires must ... »mck71: Great topic and discussion: I have been doing ASA slow pitch for ... »Nancy Allen: DW_7, I have never worked any games that had a 16' arch. I have ... »Nancy Allen: So I am officiating a senior game today. I had a pitcher that was ... »OZ40: Sometimes the problem stems from the first inning. As an umpire, in ... »Parman: I think going to 6-10 would solve many problems. Most everything else ... »Nancy Allen: OZ40, I agree with all of that. This guy was just having a fit ... |
35 | July 29, 2018 | 1667 |
Excessive Speed Pitch» baseballbill: Can the Umpire call a pitch illegal for excessive speed or does he ...»B.J.: he should do both.. and part of the warning would be removal from the ... »Fred S: Like many of the pitching rules it is rarely called. In my years of ... »baseballbill: Guys: Thanks for you response. I agree with the illegal call but the ... »Turbobob: I have a difficult time trying to imagine a ball being pitched with ... »B.J.: baseballbill... there can be more than a warning.. here is the ... »B.J.: Turbo.. you are correct they are flat pitches and the excessive speed ... |
6 | July 29, 2018 | 392 |
Age» nails: What month determines softball age. I always thought NOV 1.?»cyborg45: The year that you turn a certain age determines your age group,no ... »Nancy Allen: All of our birthdays are on January 1 every year for our senior ... »nails: thanks i knew something had to do with november »Wayne 37: I will turn 64 on November 1st. Can I move up to 65 next year (2019)? »DaveDowell: YES »doker: hey guys just a thought here!! one of our competitors.....SPA ... »DaveDowell: doker ... Let me give you a bit of perspective from the "other side ... »doker: ACTUALLY DAVE I'VE GONE WITH OTHER TEAMS TO SOME OF THE SPA ... »TimMcElroy: doker- SSUSA doesn't consider rule changes based on message board ... »OZ40: 69 year old's can play now as long as they turn 70 within that year. »Lefty50: Curious question. Turning 50 in Nov. can I play with the 50's now? »DaveDowell: YES ... You have been 50+ Senior eligible since early last (2017) ... |
12 | July 25, 2018 | 547 |
Another what's the correct call» OZ40: One out bases full, batter pops up in front of the plate, umpire ...»B.J.: oz.. if the HP umpire called IF then you are right the batter is ... »Wayne 37: This is a dead ball. All runners return to their last legally ... »B.J.: oops... wayne is right this would be a dead ball situation on the ... »doker: ITS OBSTRUCTION NOT INTERFERENCE BALLS INPLAY THEN WHAT BJ SAID WOULD ... »stick8: Doker, obstruction would be on the defense. In this case it’s ... |
5 | July 25, 2018 | 582 |
Purpose for allowing base runners to "run thru" or "over run" bases?» Turbobob: Our local 70 plus league, self umpiring, is thinking of allowing base ...»Omar Khayyam: Hello Turbobob, Yes, our league which allows players of all ages ... »Turbobob: Omar, specific to #1, I was thinking of physically placing a flat ... »Wayne 37: Some leagues draw lines at 2nd and 3rd like the one used at home. We ... »Omar Khayyam: Turbobob, an interesting idea to use a plate. However, in practice, ... »k man: In our 60+ league, in order to have a runner for the batter from home ... »Omar Khayyam: Over the years, runners from home have started from 15 feet back, 10 ... »doker: OUR 65+ AND 55+ LEAGUES HERE IN Austin use the run thru rule and ... »doker: WE ALSO HAVE UNLIMITED RUNNERS(IF HAD NOT ALREADY RUN IN SAME INNING) ... |
8 | July 25, 2018 | 384 |
Was The ump» HJ: Our first baseman is very smart and a certified ump. No outs, men on ...»stattad: That sounds ridiculous. I've always thought of it as a strategy move. »stick8: That ump had no business warning your first baseman. He was hoping to ... »bringiton: The ump is right i would do the same thing .that's not strategy ... »TommyPalmer1210: Is it anymore unsportsmanlike the hidden ball trick? »stick8: Bringiton, on what grounds would you consider that to be unsportsman? »KP&R: I have been a certified umpire for 22 years this Spring. If the ... »B.J.: The 1st baseman did nothing wrong.. play on »Benji4: As a middle infielder if you don't run out of the box with a runner ... »stick8: Benji4,I can’t believe an umpire would say that! Was he drunk or ... »B.J.: lol... maybe the umpire said it because it's a rule 1.37 • ... »chico senior: Looks like Benyi4 owes someone an apology! B.J. Maybe 1st baseman ... »k man: BJ, I'm assuming this is only an SSUSA rule, so maybe HJ's ... »B.J.: I know it's the same in ASA and I think ISA also.. »B.J.: Chico..(Maybe 1st baseman did do something wrong) the difference ... »chico senior: B.J. - Having trouble following your post. What is OP? Also I don’t ... »B.J.: Chico no problem.. OP is original post.. I thought in your post you ... »HJ: Thanks to all. Just to complicate things I checked my 2016 ASA rules. ... »B.J.: HJ.. I cant find in SSUSA where it states that an IF call takes ... »stick8: Bottom line here: if you don’t hear the ump call “infield fly, ... »TimMcElroy: An intentionally dropped ball scenario would occur in any force ... »B.J.: Tim.. scenario.. bases loaded less than 2 outs batter hits a pop up ... »TimMcElroy: The batter is out on an infield fly call and on an intentional ... »B.J.: Tim, yes I agree it's an IF call and should stay that way.. but ... »TimMcElroy: Not every fly ball in the infield is an "infield fly" Situation: ... »B.J.: Tim.. you are 100% correct on that type of play but an umpire ... »TimMcElroy: See my last post. I would invoke the intentional drop rule in ... »B.J.: Tim, lol.. never mind.. you do not seem to want to discuss the ... »SS11: Tim, I would argue that when guys are on 1st and 2nd, the IDB ... »SS11: I was referring to a play where IF is called and the defense let's it ... »Wayne 37: Runner on 1st. Fielder can let the ball drop. They can not glide ... »Wayne 37: Tim, an infield fly can be called on a batted ball that only goes 6 ... »doker: especially using the bats that we do!!! a crushed line drive is not ... |
32 | July 25, 2018 | 1630 |
bounced pitch» shortstop33: Can a batter hit a pitch after it hit the ground, if it goes fair is ...»B.J.: no.. once a pitch hits the ground or the strike mat it is a dead ball »DaveDowell: shortstop33 ... The short answer is NO ... Here are the applicable ... »softball4b: and the umpire lights up the batter like a Christmas tree for being ... »Nancy Allen: Nancy sir, well, you bring out the smart*** in me. So, yes, a batter ... »Wayne 37: Why say dead ball for? Are you going to bury it. I go with "TIME" »marcster13: I once had a team walk me after hitting a couple HRs. Instead of just ... »Nancy Allen: Wayne37, please read the rule as posted by Dave above. Dead ball is ... |
7 | July 23, 2018 | 534 |
Eligible players» Spurs Fan: Can women play on more than one womens team at the same time in the ...»SSUSA Staff: Players (male or female) may NOT be on multiple rosters in the same ... »Spurs Fan: What is "snowbird"? »DaveDowell: A "snowbird" is a player who may desire to play in two separate ... |
3 | July 18, 2018 | 446 |
Defense Players Only» MarkD1944: Does everyone who plays defense have to bat or can a player just play ...»DaveDowell: He may not play just defense UNLESS he asserts (documented) coverage ... |
1 | July 13, 2018 | 307 |
Speed up game» ctown: Just a thought on speeding up the game. How about the visiting team ...»Rainmans: I don't understand the obsession of the wanting to speed up the game. ... »DieselDan: What is this "running back and forth to the outfield" which you typed ... »olie04: If everyone on the defensive switch lightly jogged off the field, ... »Nancy Allen: crown, the seniors do that in leagues here. I personally am not a ... »SoCal'er: We play it in league twice a week. It's not set up to give the old ... »SoCal'er: Clarify 7th..if it's a tie,leave it that way. |
6 | July 8, 2018 | 609 |
Does base matter?» rschil: The batter hits a ball into outfield and as he is running to first, ...»DaveDowell: rschil ... You're about a day late to this inquiry ... The short ... »rschil: Thanks. I haven't been on site for a while. |
2 | July 6, 2018 | 380 |
Was the ump right??» garyheifner: Grounder to the SS. He airmails the throw over the 1st base man's ...»DaveDowell: garyheifner ... PROBABLY NOT ... On a "play at first", the defender ... »stick8: Garyheifner as you describe the situation and presuming there was the ... »garyheifner: Thanks »titanhd: I understand the rule but, as written the batter-runner is given ... »DaveDowell: titanhd ... Not sure I can buy into your in-equality analysis as ... »curty: in this scenario wouldn't the runner be out for NOT touching orange ... »DaveDowell: curty ... With the defender on/crossing the orange bag, the ... »Nancy Allen: It is interesting how a simple decision to add an orange bag for ... »DW_7: No. I believe the ump made a mistake. Based on your description of ... »Pa: question 1, may i ask is the orange bag a appeal play or does the ... »Pa: i lived in vegas when the orange bag came out and it was only good ... »DaveDowell: Pa ... It might (undoubtedly?) be very informative if you were to ... »Pa: Thank you Dave we had a play at first the runner hit the white bag i ... »DaveDowell: That's correct ... The two important things to remember are: [1] The ... |
14 | July 6, 2018 | 996 |
SSUSA Roster vs ISA Roster» Holmes26: If your on a 50's SSUSA Roster for team A can you be on a different ...»DaveDowell: Holmes26 ... Yes you may ... And, theoretically, you could be on a ... |
1 | June 29, 2018 | 396 |
Verbal Interference and Obstruction» Steve in Tucson: From time to time I have heard offensive and defensive players making ...»B.J.: steve.. first, you have interference and obstruction mixed up INT is ... »k man: Steve, we play in a recreational league where the illegal pitch isn't ... »Nancy Allen: Steve in Tucson, I have heard annoying things over the years, but an ... »softball4b: I try to handle the situation completely different. Before I get ... |
4 | June 21, 2018 | 662 |
