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How to call a tag play when view is obstructed

» franjan: Runner trying to stretch a single into a double. The ball beats him ...
      »DaveDowell: I'm a firm believer in the "You can't call what you didn't see" ...
      »B.J.: franjan.. if you don't see the play you can't make an out call.. ...
      »stick8: Franjan, the situation you describe is your call and even though your ...
      »rmp0012002: I think you make the call as you feel it happened. Donít waver from ...
      »B.J.: stick.. every umpire clinic Iíve ever been to they would always ...
      »Mikelmart: Franjan if you were a witness for the prosecution in a criminal trial ...
      »stick8: BJ, youíre correct. We say the same things in the clinics Iíve been ...
      »Nancy Allen: I agree with all of this. Stick8, you are right on about some people ...
      »stick8: Nancy youíre correct, you certainly donít hear those ever mentioned ...
      »franjan: Looks like more that one opinion on how to handle this situation. I ...
      »DaveDowell: This just a single honest opinion (mine), but you are destined to ...
      »franjan: Dave, I don't understand the attitude. All I am saying is that if I ...
      »DaveDowell: It's not an "attitude" at all, franjan ... It's more accurately ...
      »B.J.: franjan.. my reasoning of you being out of position is from your OP ...
      »stick8: BJ consider this play I had last weekend at a menís tournament. ...
      »B.J.: stick.. I'm not sure where the runner that scored was from from 1st ...
      »stick8: BJ, I should have stated there was a runner on third, not first, my ...
      »B.J.: stick, since runner was on 3rd I hope your partner moved out from ...
      »Nancy Allen: Franjan, I was not suggesting that clues would override the call. I ...
      »stick8: BJ, he did come out. Whether he looked back to see if the runner that ...
      »stick8: Nancy what both you and BJ correctly point out dovetails into another ...
      »Nancy Allen: Stick8, amen.
22 July 22, 2021 561

YOUNGEST AGE OF PLAYERS IN 75s AGE GROUP AND OR 80s

» MR. ED: WE ARE NOW IN THE 75s AGE GROUP AND I HAVE THREE PLAYERS 79 YRS.OF ...
      »DaveDowell: MR. ED ... Here are the relevant Rulebook provisions (on pages 66-67) ...
      »Corn: Dave. When you get a chance can you display the relevant rule for age ...
      »DaveDowell: There is not a relevant rule like these for age 65+ division teams ...
      »Corn: Thanks Dave. Iím suppose to move up to a 65 team in November. The ...
4 July 19, 2021 237

Equalizers

» dug8: How many defenders, runs given and homeruns are used when a 55 Major ...
      »DaveDowell: Presuming that the AAA team is 55+ (which we would NEVER voluntarily ...
      »dug8: Thanks Dave!
2 July 17, 2021 126

commitment line

» LMR: Runner from second rounds third on hit and crosses commitment line. ...
      »DaveDowell: If the call is made correctly, he is OUT upon re-crossing the ...
      »stick8: LMR, that runner is out rightvwhen he recrosses the commit line going ...
2 July 17, 2021 171

60 AAA players playing 60 AA

» Mr Gus: Can someone tell me how many AAA players are allowed on a AA team??
      »DaveDowell: Generally, you're allowed a maximum of three (3) players with AAA ...
1 July 11, 2021 93

CR runner

» shortstop33: Runner on first gets CR, CR scores, the person who got the CR then ...
      »wdodge22: It is my understanding of the SSUSA Rules, that if you take a runner, ...
      »wdodge22: Rule book paragraph 8.5(2)
      »JimmyG: 8.5(2) ē USING A RUNNER ON BASE A runner who is replaced with a ...
      »B.J.: Yes, he would be considered an illegal courtesy runner and should be ...
      »DaveDowell: As a practical matter, half of your roster can run for the other half ...
      »shortstop33: If you come in as a courtesy, in the same inning you come up after ...
      »B.J.: SS33Ö. yes you can
      »shortstop33: Thanks BJ
8 July 10, 2021 196

just wondering the rule

» Dugout: at the beginning of the game teams exchanges balls when deciding who ...
      »DaveDowell: Dugout ... There isn't really a rule on this, and therefore no remedy ...
      »grayhitter59: Dugout, just a bit of advise. Most teams coaches keep a ball with ...
      »17Black: Different Association, similar story. I have always "exchanged" game ...
      »DaveDowell: 17Black ... Your experience brought back an hysterical memory for me ...
      »Alamo: We were playing against Cary team in Houston a few years ago when ...
      »DaveDowell: Alamo ... That's 100% believable and 0% surprising! ... Hilarious! ...
6 July 2, 2021 429

Roster Move

» Jay Cas: How many times can a player be released from one roster to join ...
      »SSUSA Staff: ONE ... That being said, there was some relaxation of those rules ...
      »grayhitter59: Staff better question; Is that one release per age and ...
      »DaveDowell: Manny ... It's age-based only ... A player may not be on more than ...
      »Jay Cas: Thanks SSUSA Staff and Dave
4 July 2, 2021 350

What's the correct rule and call

» Dirtball: Batter in the box, ball is pitched, batter hears "NO" from behind him ...
      »B.J.: DB.. this could be considered a form of verbal interference but I ...
      »Turning2: BJ is correct per definitions 1.45 and 1.48 both interference and ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., I agree. Of course with me it is a little different. In a ...
      »B.J.: Nancy, just a couple months ago I had a similar event happen at a ...
      »Nancy Allen: B.J., at least you don't sound like a girl. Let me guess; he took a ...
5 July 1, 2021 362

Unsportsmanlike conduct call for showboating?

» jgoff5113: At the TOC this past January, our infield completed a nice double ...
      »DaveDowell: The umpire, unfortunately, made up an imaginary rule on the fly and ...
      »jgoff5113: Thanks Dave, and no worries: Our team did not argue with the ump, and ...
2 June 29, 2021 389

rulling

» titanhd: Last batter on second to begin an Extra inning. The three critical ...
      »DaveDowell: titanhd ... Your "hypothetical" for injury or illness is covered in ...
      »B.J.: titanhd.. to further answer your questions.. he could be called out ...
      »titanhd: Thank you both!
      »Turning2: B.J. One correction to your illegal CR explanation. The courtesy ...
      »B.J.: T2.. you are correct I mistakenly omitted the before the next ...
      »Turning2: BJ - no problem, Iíll use references from both associations as I ...
      »stick8: Titanhd, recall the Bobby Chapp. Sammy made the last out for D & D in ...
      »titanhd: Stick I know. I argued that at the time as I did at the Smokey when ...
      »stick8: Titanhd Iím glad you argued that at the time. I hate it when people ...
9 June 25, 2021 550

Need clarification on rule batter box lines

» Finally50: Need clarification on something that happened to me in the ...
      »DaveDowell: Looks like a question for the U.I.C. at the Smokie's (good thing it ...
      »B.J.: F50.. since you state you always position yourself at the front of ...
      »neck10: you must not be from Vegas.
      »Nancy Allen: Finally50, are you sure that you were called out for being out of the ...
      »STL0: We played at the Smokies at Know County Sportsplex and there were no ...
      »Nancy Allen: STL0, you can be if you step on the plate/mat or all of the way in ...
      »Hank Heffner: If there is no foul lines are all balls fair or foul. Just curious. ...
7 June 22, 2021 612

Caught foul ball.

» Harri: Situation: Runners on 1st and 3rd, less than 2 outs. Shortstop ...
      »Turning2: 8.4(10) ē WHEN RUNNERS ARE ENTITLED TO ADVANCE Runners are entitled ...
      »stick8: Ruling on the play is the batter is out, then a dead ball when the ...
2 June 20, 2021 390

Carrying bat to first base

» Rumplestilskin: In our game today a runner was called out for carrying the bat past ...
      »DaveDowell: Your League President has misstated the SSUSA's position on this, by ...
      »Turning2: DD - often you suggest that posters on this website make suggestions ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... I don't recall ever suggesting that posters make rules ...
      »Turning2: Pardon - I did only mean to have applicable to SSUSA only. I donít ...
      »DaveDowell: To illustrate the absurdity of that probability, how many times, by ...
      »Nancy Allen: SSUSA uses the same rule as USA Softball (formerly ASA) which is the ...
      »Turning2: No problem from my end. I see you have a position and itís well ...
      »Wood_1966: Unless the hitter is going to use the bat as a weapon against the 1st ...
      »Bob21: If I get a hit to drive in the 5th run of an inning, I usually carry ...
      »bullet: Funny that someone brought this up. Few years back i did carry my ba ...
      »Turning2: NA or DD - where would one find form or other item to use for a ...
      »Nancy Allen: Dave may have more to add on the process, but you can either use ...
      »DaveDowell: That's about "it" Nancy ... But there IS a third option, which you ...
      »Turning2: DD - specifically why I asked for the proper procedure to have a rule ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... There was absolutely nothing sarcastic about my reply to Nancy ...
15 June 13, 2021 1045

Ruling

» stick8: Senior ball. Stick makes the last out in the top of the 7th inning. ...
      »Dbax: Iíve been waiting for this scenario. Especially in the Major Leagues. ...
      »B.J.: stick.. even though your mgr. was VERY smart in FINALLY putting me in ...
      »Turning2: rule is in place for the "last batter position" in the lineup, not a ...
      »JimmyG: So if they anticipated a potential tie and substituted BJ for Stick ...
      »B.J.: T2.. I disagree with you.. the wording of the rule does not mention ...
      »B.J.: also meant to add the EFFECT: the substitution of the MUCH FASTER BJ ...
      »Turning2: BJ - No, once the substitution is made, he is officially in the ...
      »B.J.: T2... normally I would agree with you on substitutions but not with ...
      »Guppy7325: You missed the part about inserted into the line up in the bottom of ...
      »Turning2: BJ - Did you get your buddy, DD, to clarify this one for you?
      »B.J.: T2.. yes DD was swamped last weekend at a tour. but he did send me ...
      »Dbax: What if that player is injured? Also does anyone know the MLB rule?
      »Turning2: BJ - I don't agree with the answer that DD gave you, there is no ...
      »B.J.: 5.4(2) ē INTERNATIONAL TIE-BREAKER RULE Teams start each half-inning ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... I'm not sure what language you might be reading, but the ...
      »Turning2: DD - I certainly didn't write the rule (5.4(2) ē INTERNATIONAL ...
      »DaveDowell: T2 ... While I appreciate the prolific nature of your argument, it ...
      »Turning2: DD - until such time as you, or anyone else can show me that a ...
      »DaveDowell: You seem to be a "..gotta have the last word.." kind of guy, so we'll ...
      »Turning2: DD - Iím not quite as much of a ďgotta have the last wordĒ kind of ...
20 June 13, 2021 796

Pitching motion

» miken60: At a recent tournament the pitcher presented the ball above the waist ...
      »DaveDowell: Not having seen it, nothing in your description jumps out at me as an ...
      »Omar Khayyam: 15 years ago I am pitching in a tournament with NCSSA rules (same, ...
2 June 9, 2021 364

batter interference

» Grinder17: batter has a full count 3-2. Next pitch is inside and the batter ...
      »Full Count: I've seen many batters catch inside balls and the umpire called them ...
      »Grinder17: So youíre saying itís a ball? How do you call it a ball when it never ...
      »B.J.: G17.. you wont find a specific rule about the batter catching a ...
      »TAT22: Grinder17: When a batter is in the batter box and a ball is pitched ...
      »Turning2: I agree with B.J. that you probably will not find a written rule ...
      »Turning2: Trailing shoulder and lead knee, at 70 hrs old I get ahead of myself ...
      »B.J.: T2.. a lot less complicated in SSUSA it either had a chance to hit ...
      »Turning2: B.J. Yes Sir, strike mat takes all the guesswork out of the ...
      »AJC: True B J, in senior ball with a mat , I dont remember ever seeing a ...
      »txnighttrain: It is an umpire judgment call. If in the umpire believes it would ...
      »k man: AJC, we had that exact thing happen to us. The opposing catcher ...
11 June 6, 2021 646

Is batter out

» 1jonsey: I'm confused on the end of your definition of a catch 1.10, ...
      »Full Count: I'm no umpire but I have an out. Fielder shows control with hand ...
      »Turning2: 1jonsey - you are good in your answer, batter is out, SSUSA ...
      »B.J.: T2... I agree that the batter should be out... "BUT" I don't agree ...
      »Turning2: BJ - first sentence in both definitions : 1.10 catches a batted or ...
      »B.J.: T2.. 1j's scenario said the fielder slid and caught the ball with ...
      »DaveDowell: B.J. ... Does the phrase "Twin Sons of Different Mothers" strike a ...
      »B.J.: lol.. yes, but only if there name is Darryl
      »Turning2: BJ. The ball never touched the ground. Ball can bounce off one ...
      »B.J.: T2.. yes you are 100% correct in your last post the batter should be ...
      »DCPete: Ughh; so a Runner in this scenario would still be able to Tag Up & ...
      »Turning2: DCPete - upon first "touching", always
      »txnighttrain: The whole purpose of this rule is two fold. One to define control for ...
12 June 1, 2021 485

Tag out of the runner

» Turbobob: Runner is on first base. Ball is hit to second baseman who fields ...
      »Turning2: Runner is not out by definition of a legal touch. SSUSA 1.46 legal ...
1 May 28, 2021 250

Infield Fly Rule

» Larry S: In our Rec game last week the umpire called infield fly. He then ...
      »fresnomdn: I don't think you reverse it. If the second call (reversed) was made ...
      »B.J.: 1st of all there is no specific height requirement for an IF other ...
2 May 22, 2021 276
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