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Discussion: Excessive Speed

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April 20, 2021
baseballbill
137 posts
Excessive Speed
If a pitch is a strike and the umpire thinks its between 6 and 12 feet, can the pitch be considered excessive speed ????
April 20, 2021
bkb555
300 posts
not if it is within the 50-60 foot distance and it isn't deemed too flat
April 20, 2021
baseballbill
137 posts
thanks bkb555, it is between 50-60 foot distance. How can it be deemed flat if the umpire thinks its between 6 to 12 feet which is a legal pitch.
Im looking for a definite answer if possible ????
April 20, 2021
Guppy7325
15 posts
If you can throw with excessive speed at 50ft or 60ft and hit the mat.. Thatís real good.. I pitch and umpire, I have to have more information on the situation..... USSSA can get away with it, but not with the mat and 6-12 ft arc..
April 20, 2021
baseballbill
137 posts
Guppy: what more information do you need. Im under the impression that if a pitcher is 60 feet back and throws a strike and the ball is between 6 and 12 feet, it cant be called for excessive speed ????
April 20, 2021
Full Monty
88 posts

What is the normal speed in MPH?

What is Excessive Speed in miles per hour?

How can you tell if it's normal or excessive speed when batting at a legal pitch?



April 20, 2021
baseballbill
137 posts
Thats my point exactly. How can you call a legal pitch that hits the mat, excessive speed ????
Dave, I would like to hear your opinion.
April 21, 2021
B.J.
1080 posts
you will not find anything in the rule book as far as speed of a pitch.. umpires are not equipped with a jugs gun.. the main criteria for a legal pitch is that

1) the pitcher has at least 1 of his feet in contact with the 2X10 pitchers box and that he has at least a 1 second pause in motion before he starts his pitching motion..

2) that he releases the ball is on the 1st forward motion past his hip..

3) the pitcher is allowed only 1 step forward, backwards or sideways before the release of the pitch..

and probably the most important is
# 4) that the pitch reaches an arc of at least 6' and no higher than 12' over the playing surface which is determined by umpire judgment
April 21, 2021
baseballbill
137 posts
The reason why im asking is because we have a Manager who also umpires in our league is saying that a pitcher who is 60 feet back and arcs a pitch between 6 to 7 feet and hits the mat can be called for excessive speed.
Maybe, I should have posted, what is the definition of excessive speed ???
April 21, 2021
havinfun
Men's 70
16 posts
I have had that called also. It usually happens when you pitch from the maximum distance and a height of 6'1" to 7'. Rule 6.6 G does say moderate speed and of course is the discretion of the umpire.
April 21, 2021
havinfun
Men's 70
16 posts
Oops, one post late.
April 21, 2021
Turning2
Men's 70
195 posts
B.J. has correctly addressed all of the questions posed above. So for support of his answer i would encourage all of the posters to this website to access the SSUSA rules that are available on this website.

On the home page tool bar above, click on TOURNAMENTS, then on the drop down menu click on RULES, read through them a couple times, download the PDF to your desk top and become well versed in all of the rules. This is contagious, the better you become with instinctively knowing "the printed rules" others will want to know them also.

As to the speed of the slow pitch softball using ASA rules, perceptive arc of minimum of 6' and maximum of 12' the speed from a pitching box 50 - 60 feet is approx 25 mph. Documentation below, hope this helps everyone.

During the 2002 ASA National Tournament in Montgomery, AL, an extensive field study[4,5] of bat swing speed and bat performance was conducted. The data from this field study, along with other concurrent laboratory studies[6,7] revealed that all of the assumptions made in the F1890-98 test standard were incorrect.

Actual pitched-ball speeds for the game of slow-pitch softball were found to be around 25-mph (not 10-mph).

April 21, 2021
baseballbill
137 posts
Again, im saying that the pitch hits the mat. Should there be a definite answer? The way I see it, if its a legal pitch for a strike, the umpire should never consider it more then moderate speed.
April 21, 2021
Turning2
Men's 70
195 posts
baseballbill, havinfun

unfortunately there are too many umpires, as well as players and managers that either put their own spin on the written rules, have not read or understand why the rules are written, or simply don't use good judgment, it happens.
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