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Ronnie Ratliffe

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Nov. 29, 2021
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Adidas Rockila shoes?

NV - I also have a wide foot, New Balance is my shoe of choice. Amazon shows two very popular models available in wide and xtra wide, most color combinations, models 481 V3 for $60.58 and 410 V6 for $64.95. Both are listed as trail runners.

I can’t find any Adidas in wide or xtra wide widths. Hope this helps.
Nov. 25, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Happy Thanksgiving to SSUSA players, families, friends

Hope all have a safe and bountiful Thanksgiving and share with others on this special day.
Nov. 22, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

stick8 - the biggest problem with these discussions come as a result of posters like yourself that change the dialogue and circumstances on every one of your posts, like the Liberals, they keep the stories coming until they finally get one that their answer actually fits.

You're even arguing with BJ about Rule 6.4.C which is printed above that clearly states that the ball must be in front of the pitcher, pitcher comes to a full and complete stop, maintained for a full second. You attribute the term "present the ball" (which i am many others use 6.4.C as a basis of using the term) as some deceased old school UIC that you worked with years ago?

Exactly how old are you? You and Joe Biden seem to be in the same boat as far as cognitive abilities. It's pitiful what these discussions most often evolve into.

And lastly a Quick Pitch and an illegal pitch are two different things. Any violation of 6.3 thru 6.10 are illegal pitches as covered by 6.11(1) and a ball is called on the batter.

6.11 covers Quick Pitch, Time is call and a no pitch is declared for all to hear.


Nov. 21, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

Stick8 - yes my post was in reference to your post. No, I was not there but based on what you posted, both the umpire and you were both wrong in the call that he made and you agreed with.

In YOUR words, you stated that the pitcher QUICK PITCHED your teammate. KC and Hackman both listed the applicable definition and rules, 1.56, QUICK PITCH, 6.11 QUICK PITCH, and 6.13 NO PITCH

I’ll repeat my same last sentence, “the correct call as KC has referenced, is Time called resulting in a no pitch being called on the batter.
Nov. 20, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

KC - Good job in referencing both the definition and applicable rule that governs the question from the original post.

The post that is immediately above your post has incorrectly addressed this post. He specifically references that a quick pitch has occurred and incorrectly agrees with an umpire that has also incorrectly called this pitch a ball. The correct call, as KC has referenced, is Time called resulting in a no pitch being called on the batter.
Nov. 19, 2021
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Adidas Rockila shoes?

Adidas Rockadia trail 3.0 are available for $69.95 thru Amazon
Nov. 13, 2021
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Turf Shoes for Plantar Fascitis

M56 - I fell victim to the dreaded plantar fasciitis inflammation this past February and hopefully I’m finally close to 100%. My podiatrist told me to get 1) the best insert I could find and the widest, most comfortable running shoe and/or turf shoe to wear. I played with New Balance 520V5 running shoes and New Balance 410V6 trail running shoes. But prior to that, I replaced all of the factory inner soles with “pure stride” inserts in every pair of shoes I frequently wear including bed room slippers. What a difference these make in the healing process. Hope this helps.
Oct. 29, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

Stick8 - that’s what I’m trying to do, just need your input on the “ghost” and “phantom” player you referenced earlier as that player plays a big part in my answer, thanks for the help. It will all be revealed soon, after I get your valuable input.
Oct. 29, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

Stick8 - give me the location in the rule book where you find the “ghost” and “phantom” player so I can finish my response to fuzz, thanks

Mck71 - hard to answer your questions in your post just above, maybe you should answer why someone would be stupid enough not to either list this “player” we are all talking about as either in the starting lineup section or available substitute section for this game. But you’ve already answered above that you fit this category also.
Oct. 28, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

Stick8 - OK, during the discord between the two coaches or managers of the opposing team I would use the question of compliance to reenforce that a violation had occurred that had adversely affected the game. That justifies declaring a forfeit as I interpret and apply the rules.

Something happening 6 yrs ago is not a part of this discussion, same as the “ghost or phantom” players you alluded to In your earlier post. I looked long and hard and couldn’t find reference to either in. The rule book.

DM - Stick8 was the one that witnessed the fiasco that resulted in this discussion not me. It is what it is. I see it one way and you see it a different way. If I were the umpire in the original post, I would support the protest that would result in a forfeit and I have the rule book to support such decision and you have……………nothing.
Oct. 28, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

Fuzz - Everyone likes to talk about "spirit/intent" of a rule, explain that to Team B who probably loses a game, in this instance as stated in the original post, "SSUSA world tournament game." because they followed the rules, their opponent did not, and the officials in charge of this game do not adhere to the rules either.

You say he was on the roster and legal to play, OK then why wasn't he listed on the OFFICIAL line-up card as required by 4.2.A & B. A rule is a rule is a rule.

I didn't even mention other rules that were violated:

7.1 Batting Order A & B as well as 7.1 (1) Batter eligibility

Others responding to this forum discussion are trying "to fit" an explanation into the circumstances of this game to somehow save face and justify their position, I am just asking that the rules of the game to be followed, by the teams and the rules to be enforced by the umpires and officials running the tournament.

If I were the sponsor for Team B, I would ask for the entry fee to be refunded because my team was not treated fairly.

Oct. 28, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

BJ - When you say i have once again made a statement against the offending team that was not in the OP, please read thoroughly what is being discussed.

My reference in my last post states that the offense is not brought to anyone's attention until the 4th inning. Even if you were the manager of Team A you and all the other members of that team would realize that after two and possibly three rotations of the batting order that you were doing something wrong. they have chosen to let this continue, they are flat out cheating. Or do you have or anyone else have a better description, like "having a senior moment"?

Tim & DM - I have much respect for officials in all sports but i can't accept the explanations given to me in the instance above.

Wording like "1) Because the 11th spot in the lineup does not exist (was not on the official scorecard), the offense CANNOT put a substitute in for that player, even if it had one. And because the spot in the batting order does not exist, the offended team CANNOT be granted an out every time that “spot” comes up again in the order."

I contend again, that the offense didn't attempt to put in a substitute, they ADDED the 11th spot ILLEGALLY. When you violate a rule, you are to be punished, not rewarded. What if this player assisted his team in scoring 2,3,4 or more runs in the 4 innings that he illegally participated in?

On the flip side, i have a written rule that was violated and justification for allowing the protested forfeit to stand. Rule 4.2.A & B

If this happened again, knowing what you know now, would you render the same ruling? It appears to me that a better ruling could have been made based on the rule set available.

Sometimes even when best intentions are our goal, we are wrong.


Oct. 27, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

DM - situation #1 you are referring to sounds like the opposing team catches the infraction the first time the “non listed” player bats. The OP situation occurs in the 4th inning? Something nefarious is going on because the offending team has to realize they have violated the rule, whether intentional or not. By not making this known, they are cheating, period. To blame the lady keeping the scorebook or calling this a senior moment are both copouts. Whomever lets this slide whether umpire on field, UIC, tournament director, or someone from the SSUSA home office, the offended team didn’t get the fair shake that they are entitled to.

I would hope that all involved would have more integrity than to “explain with excuses” a decision that wasn’t fair and equitable. I for one would not be a part of any such decision.

This is my personal position, once again based on rule of play, circumstances as they unfolded on the field of play, and my personal experiences and judgment developed over my years of playing and umpiring.
Oct. 27, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

IF, and that’s quite a large two letter word, I were umpiring I would ask the manager of Team A, did you comply with the requirements of Rule 4.2.A & B? And the answer is no, so therefore they are in violation of the requirements established by Rule and SSUSA and I would declare a forfeit. An umpires duties are to manage, orchestrate play, enforce the association rules, and use all their skills and experience to provide a fair and equitable field of play for both teams. Any other ruling is unfair to Team B who has complied as far as we know.

One cannot say that there is nothing in the rule book that specifically covers this situation, Rule 4.2.A & B set forth requirements for play, these were violated by inserting a player neither listed on the official line-up card or listed as an available substitute for this game.

My earlier post was simply to ask others to apply the rule and make a decision. You have my ruling with supporting document.

Oct. 26, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

I'm not very well versed on the subject of this post but have question that hopefully can be answered by those commenting previously. I copied 4.2 with A and B

SSUSA Rule Book Section 4

4.2 • ROSTER RESTRICTIONS
A team roster is limited to two times the number of defensive players
allowed for that team. For teams that play with 10 defensive players, the
limit is 20 members. For teams that play with 11 or 12 defensive players,
the limits are 22 and 24 members, respectively. A non-playing manager and
coach(es) are not included in this player count. A team must have the required number of players present in the dugout or team area to start or continue a game. Players listed in the starting lineup and not available at game time may be substituted for and re-entered later.

A. Official lineup cards are to be completed and submitted to the official scorer or umpire at the start of each game. The lineup shall contain the first and last name, position and uniform number of each player. NOTE: If a wrong number is on the lineup sheet, correct it and continue playing with no penalty.

B. All available substitutes shall be listed in the designated place by their last name, first name and uniform number.

My question is a part of the original post, Why couldn't the Team B request for forfeit not be upheld? Rule 4.2.A and B clearly state that all available starting players and substitute players shall be listed on the official line up card in their appropriate places. Makes no reference that if they are on the official roster that they are automatically included as an entry for A or B ??

If this 11th player has been purposely inserted into the lineup without being listed as required by rule 4.2.A and B and has contributed to the scoring of the game to the detriment of Team B and their ability to win the contest, why is this not clearly an intentional breach of the rules and not a viable protest for a forfeit to be declared?

None of the argument about legal or illegal substitution and protest before next pitch, etc, declaration of an out or batting out of order, same protest for out prior to next pitch, etc as covered by RULE apply as this is a "player" not listed at game time on the official lineup card either in the starting lineup or as an available substitute.

Again, I'm asking for you guys to clarify as I surely don't know what to call, just what I see in the rules. I think it is more serious than what has been addressed in posts above. thx
Oct. 25, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call - please

txnighttrain - I'm sure there are a lot of folks on here struggling to understand what you have posted. It's the umpire's judgement whether or not the batter deliberately hit the ball?

BJ clearly posted the rule as it appears in the SSUSA Rulebook:

7.6 • BATTER IS OUT
E. When the batter bunts or chops the ball, or does not take a full swing when deliberately hitting a pitched ball.

So in your scenario, repeating the original post, batter started to swing, checked his swing, but miraculously the ball hit the bat or the bat hit the ball, but NOW 1) the ball rolled to a fielder and he threw out one of the runners. UMPIRE declares for all to hear, "he didn't deliberately hit that ball" what is the call? or 2) ball was hit too slowly for anyone to make a play on a runner. Does the UMPIRE again declare for all to hear, "he didn't deliberately hit that ball" what is the call now?

Try to use Rule 7.6.E and any other rule in the rule book to make your call, and what is the Effect? Do over?






Oct. 21, 2021
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Another: You make the call

B.J. Nah, you know better, we agree on many issues and once you answer the OP there is no need to chime in with same answer.

I really just wanted to support your answer because you included reference directly from the rule book and i also wanted to address Dbax and his smart alec post above. :)
Oct. 20, 2021
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Perspectives: Laughing at yourself

Bruce M. - I’d give you ++ for both of those, can’t make this stuff up. I’ll have to remember the T-ball accusation, that’s classic.

Wait til you’re in the 70+ age group, we get a lot of second looks but for a lot of different reasons. Got to love it
Oct. 20, 2021
Turning2
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Another: You make the call

B.J. good job answering the OP question and providing an applicable rule

Dbax - trolling as usual, it's what you do best apparently............
Oct. 19, 2021
Turning2
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: You make the call - please

jimperry19 - not really sure who you are or why you commented? Do you have something to contribute or just sit on the sidelines and criticize?

I surely don't need you to jump on here after all of the discussions that have developed to tell me anything. I have a wife of 50 years that tells me often enough what to do.

You have a nice day Mr jimperry19 and maybe you will come back when you have something to contribute. Stronger words apply, but I won't stoop to your level.
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