SSUSA Staff...Please clarify when a thrown ball goes out of play; when are two bases awarded
versus one base..
It is always 2 bases. The confusing comes from where the runner(s) position are at time of release from fielder.
Runner gets base going to plus 1. Based on runners location at time of release from fielder.
lb16, you are correct, but generally, it is not usually referred to as 1 plus 1 any more. Just 2 bases at the time of release from the fielder. The only rare play, that I have seen 3 times in 47 years of playing, is when the batter hits the ball to an infielder and fumbles the ball around, then decides to throw the ball to first, when the batter has already reached 1B. In this rare situation, the batter-runner would get 3B. As you stated, all based on where the runners are at the time of the release.
Andy Smith,
USED2BE,
65 Major
Duke, yes I was just trying to simplify the answer so most would understand. 1 the base runner is going to plus 1 more.
Duke question.
It says the base runner gets the base he is going to plus one. If a guy is on second or any base for that matter and is returning to the occupied bag at the time of a throw is it then just an additional bag. I.E runner returning to second and ball is thrown out of play runner is awarded second(the base he was going to) and 3rd.
Some organizations differ on this.Most say if you already acquired a bag it is the next bag plus one. That being said runner must have tagged or go back and tag properly if returning for a caught fly ball, or runner would be subject to being out on appeal if this wasn't done.
Easy way to remember:
1) A throw that goes out of play from the infield is two bases from the time of the pitch
2) A throw that goes out of play from the outfield is two bases from the time of the throw
There are a couple of exceptions that are explained on pg 49 of the on line SSUSA rule book
HAT MAN, As lb16 has pointed out, different organizations might word this issue as 1 plus 1. SSUSA words it as runner advances 2 bases from the time it left a fielder's hand. The actual reading of the rule from the SSUSA rule book Rule 8.4(10)D, "When the ball is in play and is overthrown(beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked. EFFECT: All runners will be awarded two bases, and the award will be governed by the positions of the runners when the ball left the fielder's hands. If two runners are between the same bases, the award is based on the lead runner." Now HAT MAN, to answer your question regarding tagging up and going back to 2B, the runner gets home, because he already started from 2B(this is similar to what stick8 commented on, with the batter being at home plate, where the batter gets 2B) , whereas the 1 plus 1 rule, might be interpreted differently, and runner may only get 3B. For SSUSA, this can be found on pages 48 & 49 of their rule book. The only thing that I would add to what stick8 said about an overthrow from an infielder is "......however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made." Hope this explains it more clearly.
Andy Smith,
USED2BE,
65 Major
Is there an exception when a thrown ball goes out of play after touching a defensive player that only 1 base is awarded?
Duke, if a batter hit a grounder to short, the shortstop bobbles it, picks it up and throws it to first after the batter runner crossed first base and the throw ends up out of play you are correct, that batter runner would get 2 bases from the time of the throw--he gets third.
Bad play all around by that shortstop!!
Softbller... no that would be penalizing the offense for a bad throw by the defense here is that part of the rule...
E. When a fair ball bounces over or rolls under or through a fence or any designated boundary of the playing field. Also when it deflects off a runner or umpire and goes out of play.
EFFECT: The ball is dead, and all runners
are awarded two bases.
