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Feb. 10, 2025
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Umpires reversed call

BJ,
Ok but I was curious if the base umpire called out the plate umpire (or vice versa) to confer after the fielder pointed to the base umpire to rule.
In this case the fielder could have asked the plate umpire to ask his partner for help but the way the scenario was described it wouldn’t have helped them out..
Feb. 6, 2025
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Umpires reversed call

I’m curious, did the base umpire initiate their discussion?
I agree with BJ. If the home plate ump told the batter he had a foul to waste, he had a foul to waste!
Jan. 29, 2025
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire question

LOL. I know what you mean Double Dee. Pandora’s box is opening up!!

Jan. 29, 2025
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Foul tip - catch or not

SSUSA: foul tip above the batters head that’s caught by catcher—OUT
foul tip below batters head that’s caught is a foul ball (not an out) unless it’s a third strike foul, then it’s an out.
USSSA, NSA, ONE NATION( (young man ball) any foul tip caught whether it’s above or below the head—OUT

Jan. 25, 2025
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Umpire question

Did the outfielder demonstrate possession of the ball on the catch? Aka: Complete the process
Never heard of an umpire asking a fielder if they caught the ball and then changing their call based on their response. That should never happen.
I presume the ump in your game was doing a one man. It can be tough to see certain plays in a one man but umps have to do the best they can using their judgement and make the call as they see it.
Unfortunately they get it wrong sometimes and they just have to eat it.

Jan. 23, 2025
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Injury

Senior house leagues normally are under the guise of ISSA,SSUSA or other association rules or if it’s young man’s ball it could be One Nation, USSSA, USA or others.
As Dave correctly points out house leagues have latitude to implement their own rules. These rules must be listed on their league rules sheet.
If there is no rule for example, supplying a catcher or teams picking up players not on their roster they risk a potentially huge liability if someone gets injured during their game. I’ve seen this happen and it’s not pretty.
Bottom line: CYA. cover your a—
Dec. 4, 2024
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

FF, some of the major league rules are a bit different.
Did you know an umpire can eject another umpire from the game?
Dec. 3, 2024
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

BJ, One Nation has the same rule you referenced. I
posed this to my UIC and according to him any outs during the play count. It’s the same in ssusa as Donna stated earlier. You are correct that the rule book should be more specific on this.
Gamer23, you are 100% correct.
Dec. 3, 2024
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

From what I gather it appears most of the softball associations have the same or similar rule on this, as does high school baseball.
Believe it or not I’m told Major League Baseball is different. All runners go back to the base they were at at the time of the pitch. Any outs or runs scored are negated. The proper batter is called out and the next batter is up. In my scenario above it would be bases loaded with 1 out.
Let’s say a runner is on first with no outs, improper batter comes up and hits into a double play. Manager comes out and protests team bating out of order. MLB rules state runner would go back to first and the proper batter would be called out. Instead of a double play they’d only get 1 out!!!
Nov. 30, 2024
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

Titan and BJ are correct!!
Nov. 29, 2024
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: You make the call

This happened to me in a high school baseball game back in the spring this year.
Bases loaded no outs
Batter hits one hopper to third
Third baseman throws to second for 1
Relay to first batter runner is safe
Play is over. One run in, one out, runners on 1st and 3rd
Or is the play over? Manager of defensive team comes out right away and claims runner on first batted out of order. We checked the official book and indeed he did bat out of order.
How would you rule on this?
Nov. 29, 2024
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Bases loaded, less than 2 outs

Dave you might be right if this happened in a senior league. This actually was a men’s league, there’s no commit line.
As BJ correctly confirmed, the result of the play was one out.

Nov. 25, 2024
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Bases loaded, less than 2 outs

1) Runner going from second to third is OUT. Runner that was on third that never left the bag is not out. Looks like bases loaded, two outs.
2) Double play, inning over
Heres one I had several years ago. Men’s league
Bases loaded no outs.
Batter hits grounder to third.
Third baseman fields the ball, steps on third and throws home
Catcher catches the throw steps on home and throws back to third
Third baseman tags the runner going from second to third.
They think they have a triple play. Are they correct?




Sept. 19, 2024
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Rule interpretation; just for fun!!

This is always a tough call for an umpire to make, doing a one man to make, especially in BJ’s scenario.
In the scenario from Scott if the batter runner is in the running lane he is not out if a throw home is made from first and hits him. Exception being: crashing into fielder, jumping or throwing body, arms, legs to try and deflect the throw.
How I would call it depends on what I see.
Sept. 15, 2024
stick8
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Question about a rule

In extra innings if the proper runner cannot start the inning at second base due to injury he cannot get a substitute or courtesy runner. If he is unable to run due to injury it’s an out and the previous batter starts at second base.
Sept. 10, 2024
stick8
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: BLD dimensions

Points well taken Bruce! I’ve witnessed some 70-75 year old players run pretty well. They are flat out amazing!
Good luck
Sept. 10, 2024
stick8
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: BLD dimensions

When playing at BLD in Vegas you end up playing what is called “wall ball”
Since fences are shorter it’s how outfielders play balls hit off the wall.
Aug. 14, 2024
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Box Rule

Fuzz,
To answer your question: Yes
Pitch must hit the rectangular mat (35”L x 21”W) within the 5ft -10ft from the ground pitching arc to be a strike. This includes home plate.
SPA does this but I’m not certain if One Nation has a home plate marked out or painted on the mat or not.
It might depend on what’s available!!



Aug. 12, 2024
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Box Rule

Dave does ssusa allow the batter to drag the foot in front of the line?
Aug. 12, 2024
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter Box Rule

I ump for One Nation and we have a similar rule. Back foot cannot be in front of the front edge of home plate when making contact. They can drag the back foot however.
I’ve called a few outs on these. Even if it’s a foul ball it’s still an out.
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