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Dec. 1, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner Interference and Dead Bal

What happened at second that resulted in the umpire calling interference?
Nov. 22, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

BJ, ďpresenting the ballĒ was from a now deceased old school UIC I worked for years ago when I umpired USSSA. His ďpresenting the ballĒ before pitching was his way getting us to combat quick pitching.
He didnt mean physically present or show the ball. Just make certain the pitcher pauses for one second with the ball in his possession before pitching.
Nov. 22, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

T2, Iím sorry but you are quite mistaken. Please process this if you would. The batter never left the box, the batter did not call time out, the umpire did not call time out or have his hand up and the batter was ready when the quick pitch was delivered. Since this was my teammate I was there, I witnessed the whole thing. The umpire put his left arm out and yelled ďillegalĒ. As a result mr T2 the umpire made the right call in this situation. The rule you reference only applies to a batter who hasnít taken his desired position in the box or is off balanceóboth as a result of the previous pitch. Or it applies during a suspension of playómeaning if time is called. None of that happened here mr T2. You have a habit of making assumptions about certain situations that are mistaken.
Nov. 21, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

T2, if youíre referring to my post once again your a bit mistaken.
First, I was there, it was one of my teammates at bat and I watched the whole thing. Call it a hunch but Iím going to guess you werenít there.
Second, if you read what I posted it clearly stated the umpire called it a ball because of no pause/didnít present the ball. IOW mr T2, it was an illegal pitch.
Although our batter smiled after swinging and missing he was ready for the next pitch. No one called time. As soon as the pitcher released the next pitch the umpires left arm went out and he yelled ďillegalĒ. Our batter let the pitch go. The pitcher asked why and the umpire told him no pause/didnít present the ball. There was no argument.
That is what happened mr T2. It was not a no-pitch, it was correctly ruled an illegal pitch and thus counted as a ball.




Nov. 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

Ever notice on the rare occasion when someone swings and misses the pitcher will get the ball back and quick pitch? That happened to one of our guys a couple weeks ago in Sanford. The umpire correctly called it a ball because of no pause/didnít present the ball.
Nov. 19, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

Sure, he didnít take nearly as long as Hargrove did. Thereís a good reason why Hargrove was known as the human rain delay!
Nov. 18, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Stepping out of the box to avoid being quick-pitched

This has always been a stickler of an issue with players. When I umpire I stress to both managers at the pregame that before the first pitch I automatically give the batter time to get set. After the first pitch itís on the batter to call time out. If after the first pitch, youíre in the box fiddling with your batting glove or getting your feet set and the pitcher pitches its game on.
Iíve never had a batter tell me that they want time after every pitch. And Iíll admit Iíve never heard of anyone requesting that but itís actually a pretty good idea. As long as that batter doesnít do the Mike Hargrove routine!!
Nov. 2, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner struck by batted ball while on base in fair territory

Spider9188, it depends where the closest fielder is.
If the closest fielder is behind the baserunner itís a dead ball, batter is awarded a base hit and any baserunners move up a base if forced.
If the closest fielder is front of the baserunner then itís a live ball.

Nov. 1, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner struck by batted ball while on base in fair territory

BJ, thatís correct. It can pass thru a fielder without contacting thatvfielder. passes thru a fielder? Good catch.
Coop3636. thatís not true if the closest fielder is behind the runner. If the runner is on the base itís a dead ball and the batter is awarded a base hit. Any other runners are moved up one base if forced.
Oct. 31, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Runner struck by batted ball while on base in fair territory

The runner is not out.
If the closest fielder is behind the runner and the ball strikes the runner who is on base in fair territory itís a dead ball. The batter is awarded a base hit and any runner on base is awarded the next base if forced.
If the closest fielder is in front of the base runner and the batted ball strikes that fielder and hits the runner itís considered hitting the ground and a live ball.
Oct. 30, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

lol. Thatís true Dave. Theyíre out in droves!!
Oct. 30, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

T2, why all of a sudden do you need input on ghost and phantom?
You already told Donna that ďif I was the umpire in the original post I would support the protest that would result in a forfeit and I have the rule book to support such a decision....Ē And then you proceeded to insult her by saying ďand you have..........nothingĒ. That was rude and unnecessary T2. Very rude.
You want input on phantom and ghost? Read Donnas post third from the top, focus on her point #1. She nails it perfectly. Those words were used by the director and other umpires who were there to,describe the player in question.
Since youve already supported a forfeit to team B, for the fourth time can you please cite your interpretation of how rule 4.2 A & B leads you supporting said forfeit?
Oct. 29, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

T2, I have a better idea.
Please cite your interpretation of rule 4.2 A & B that leads you to awarding a forfeit to team B.
Oct. 29, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

T2, why the argumentative tone in your posts?
You stated that you would rule a forfeit in this situation. You stated you would rule as such based on your interpretation of the rule you cited. The rule says nothing about a forfeit.
Based on that, what part of the rule are you interpreting to rule this game a forfeit?
Oct. 28, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

T2, why would you ask a manager if he or she complied with the requirements of rule 4.2 A & B? That makes no sense to me.
And under what rationale would you grant a forfeit in the situation I presented when the rule you cite says nothing about a forfeit?
Expanding upon the situations that Donna posted I had one similar about 6 years ago. A player was late, arrived in the 2nd inning. After a couple batters he was put in as a courtesy runner. Two innings later the scorekeeper from the other team came up to me between innings and casually told me that runner was not listed on the scorecard.
How would you rule on that?

Oct. 27, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

T2, I can understand how a team would want a forfeit in the stated situation. But I will tell you being an eyewitness to all this the field director did call Sacremanto and as far as I could tell got the final ruling from them. Now who the director specifically talked to and on what basis or how they came up with the final ruling I couldnít tell you.
Since there is nothing in tne rule book that specifically covers this it might be a good idea to put something in next years rule book that addresses this situation. In the interim you might address your questions to the main office in Sacramento or contact one of tne UICís.
I will say the umpire of this game did the right thing. He stopped tne clock, quickly calmed down the players who were jaw jacking each other and announced he was going to find out the proper rule for this. Itís not a shame to do that because umpires should always try get it right, even if you have to delay the game. This especially bodes true in a world tournament.


Oct. 26, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

Agreed about catching it rmp. How the opposing scorekeeper didnít catch it earlier is beyond me. To answer your questions
1) the player was ejected from tne game.
2) since that player was not on the scorecard it was ruled he was a ďghostĒ or ďphantomĒ player. A player that doesnít exist on the scorecard.
As Donna pointed out no sub is allowed and no out is granted every subsequent time that spot comes up.
Oct. 25, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

BJ and Donna, both excellent points. This was in 60 major and I was watching this because our team had the next game. After going over it and over it, trying It took nearly 45 minutes to figure it out! This was discovered several batters after the player in question batted so calling it out before the first pitch to the next batter was not an option. How the other team missed it for four innings is beyond me.
Eventually they ruled the player in question was a ghost or phantom player.

Oct. 25, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Yet another you make the call

SSUSA world tournament game. Fourth inning. Team A has 10 players on the official scorecard. Team B discovers an 11th player who is not listed on the official scorecard but has been playing.
Team B demands a forfeit but it is determined that the 11th player not listed on the official scorecard is on the official team roster.
1) because the player is on the roster there is no forfeit
2) any at bats by tne 11th player stand
3) the 11th player is ejected from tne game
Team A has no subs to put in so does the spot in the order the 11th player batted in now an out every time it comes up?
Can a team go from 11 to 10 without penalty?
Itís my understanding if itís an injury the spot is an out the first time it comes up then after that you skip over it. Does that apply in this situation?
Sept. 21, 2021
stick8
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: courtesy runner

Since the manager announced the courtesy runner was running for the guy on second that courtesy runner can go to second and run for him. No penalty. In my opinion the umpire in your scenario was mistaken.
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