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Feb. 8, 2023
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: legal catch

I thought so, too, B.J. Maybe I should have added this paragraph from the USA Rulebook: “If the ball is merely held in the fielder’s arm(s) or prevented from dropping to the ground by some part of the fielder’s body, equipment or clothing, the catch is not completed until the ball is in the grasp of the fielder’s hand(s) or glove/mitt.”
Feb. 7, 2023
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: legal catch

The fielder must hold the ball securely in his hand or glove to record the out. (The ball cannot be trapped against his body.)
Oct. 31, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: ow to appeal a call

JBTexas, can you be more specific on what you are appealing? (There are live ball and dead ball appeals. A live ball appeal on a base left too early, or on a missed base, still requires the defense to tag the runner or the base while in possession of the ball. A dead ball appeal does not require the base to be tagged.)
Sept. 21, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Left behind at Worlds

During Session 1 at the World Championships, a player left his bat bag, which was full of equipment, at a ball park. It still has not been claimed. If you left it, please contact the office at 916-326-5303 and describe your bag and its contents. We would like to return it to its owner. (We have a few other lost and found items as well.)
Sept. 10, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: runner interference

I disagree with B.J. and Bigtimer40 on this one. Once the ball deflects off the pitcher, the batted ball becomes a deflected ball. The umpire must judge whether the runner intentionally interfered with the second baseman's attempt to field the ball. Here is the example posed by USA Softball in its June 2014 plays of the month:
"Play: With one out and R1 on 1B, B3 hits a ground ball that deflects off F1’s glove towards F4. R1 in trying to get out of the way bumps F4 causing F4 to misplay the ball resulting in B3 being safe at 1B. The umpire allows play to continue with no outs being called.
"Ruling: The umpires are correct in not calling interference if they considered the contact unintentional. The ball was deflected and ASA/USA rules requires the runner to be called out for interference if the contact is intentional. Rule 8, Section 7J[4]."
The USA rule states that the runner is out if he/she interfers "intentionally with any defensive player having the opportunity to make an out with the deflected batted ball."
Sept. 9, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Batter interference

Interference is a judgment call. When it occurs at home plate, the batter's box is NOT a sanctuary for the batter-runner. As B.J. said, if the umpire believes the batter-runner interfered with the catcher's attempt to field the batted ball, the umpire schould call interference. The batter should be out. As for the second scenario put forth by Mikelmart, it depends on the runner's action while standing on the base. Here is the wording from the USA Softball rule book: "A runner could be standing on a base and a defensive player bumps the runner while watching the flight of the ball. If the defensive player fails to make a catch on a ball that could have been caught, it is the umpire’s judgment whether or not interference should be called. The rule provides that a runner must vacate any space needed by a fielder to make a play on a batted ball, unless the runner has contact with a legally occupied base when the hindrance occurs. In this case, the runner should not be called out unless the hindrance is intentional."
Aug. 26, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Rocky Mountain

Look under the header: Rocky Mountain results.
Aug. 23, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Rocky Mountain results

Sorry, another director had the 75+ Gold results. Those were: 1. KC Kids 70s. 2. Texas Rattlers. 3. USA Patriots.

And the 65 Platinum results were flipped on the document I had. Yes, BlueSpeed was first, Houston second and Scrap Iron High Octane third.

Aug. 23, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: RM Results

See separate posting.
Aug. 23, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Rocky Mountain results

Rain disrupted the championship games on Sunday, so some divisions were decided based on which team was undefeated in bracket play headed into the championship game. There were 83 men's teams entered.

50+ Major: 1. Walkoff (Maryland). 2. Elevated (Utah). 3. Texas Steel.

50+ AAA: 1. Damage (Nevada). 2. Persuaders (Kansas). 3. PCS/MN Lumberjacks (Minnesota)

55+ Major: 1. Texas Bulls. 2. ManCave (Texas). 3. Alliance/Scrap Iron (Coloado)

50+AA/55+AAA: 1. KC Stampede (Missouri). 2. Bootleggers (Colorado). 3. ETX (Texas)

60+ Major Plus: 1. Legacy Sports USA (Arizona). 2. Texas Crush 60s.

60+ Major:1. Scrap Iron Rocky Mountain Thunder. 2. Sea Glass (Arkansas). 3. Minnesota Premier.

60+ AAA: 1. Mountain Men (Utah). 2. Minnesota Thunder. 3. Texas Legends.

60+ AA: 1. Austin Wizards. 2. Texas Tornadoes. 3. Club Tilt/Haus (Colorado).

65+ Platinum: 1. Houston Fire. 2. BlueSpeed AV (Missouri). 3. Scrap Iron High Octane (Colorado).

65+ AAA: 1. Fierce Firearms (Utah). 2. Carriage Homes (Missouri). 3. Utah Coyotes.

65+ AA: 1. Electrifiers (Texas). 2. Duke City Dynamite (New Mexico). 3. Scrap Iron Diamonds (Colorado)

70+/75+ Silver: 1. Scrap Iron Diamonds 75. 2. Not Dead Yet (Kansas). 3. R&D Leverage (Missouri).

80+ AAA: 1. Scrap Iron Gray Berets. 2. Antiques of Kansas City

Aug. 15, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Southern Championship results

Congratulations to the division winners at the Southern Championships in Dalton, Georgia. Some great ball got played on some beautiful turf fields. Here are the top finishers in each division:

Men's 50+ Major: 1. Allied Tool/Father Time of Kentucky. 2. Big Daddy's Softball of Georgia. 3. Duty Calls Seniors of Florida

Men's 50/55+ Gold: 1. United Softball of Alabama. 2. Montgomery Swarm 55 of Alabama.

Men's 60/65+ Platinum: 1. Monster Softball 60s of Mississippi. 2. Texas Crush Sixty Fives. 3. DT Express of Georgia.

Men's 65/75+ Gold: 1. Georgia Alabama Seniors. 2. The of Tennessee. 3. Venom 75s of Florida.

Men's 60+ AAA: 1. Darrell Harris & Associates of Georgia. 2. Mobley Brothers Roofing of Tennessee. 3. Southern Boys of Georgia.

Women's 50+ Gold: 1. 50 Shades of Indiana. 2. Dreamgirlz of Virginia. 3. Regroup & Reload of Texas.

July 26, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Player awarded a base

Posters in this thread have referenced two different aspects of the rules. The basic overthrow rule for a ball that goes out of play is on page 49 of the rule book under 8.4(10) D. It is the one B.J. quoted:
“When the ball is in play and is overthrown (beyond the boundary lines) or is blocked: EFFECT: All runners will be awarded two bases, and the award will be governed by the positions of the runners when the ball left the fielder’s hands. If two runners are between the same bases, the award is based on the lead runner.”
Note that this rule does not mention whether an outfielder or infielder made the throw.
Stick8, you quoted a rule a little further down that deals with a thrown ball that hits a runner or umpire and then goes out of play. That is in section E. The first part of that rule notes that the “ball is dead, and all runners are awarded two bases.” Subsection 1 adds details about whether the throw came from an infielder or outfielder. For an infielder, the award of bases is “governed by the position of each runner at the time the pitch was made; however, if all runners, including the batter-runner, have advanced at least one base when the infielder makes the wild throw, on the first play after a pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made.”
Umpires should glance at all runners as a throw is being made so that the proper rule can be enforced if the thrown ball goes out of play.
In the case cited at the start of this thread, the runner should be awarded third base.
July 23, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: Player awarded a base

It doesn’t matter what direction the runner is going. Even though he needs to tag first base (or be called out on appeal), he is awarded two bases from the time the ball left the fielder’s hand. In this case, he is awarded third base because he already is past first base. (Yes, this is the USA rule, too.) If he fails to retouch first base, the defense may appeal him for leaving the base too soon.
July 18, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Championships second session results

My apologies to Glenn May and his 70+ team, as I reversed the second and third place teams in the 70+ AAA bracket. Anderson Roofing/50 Caliber STL finished second in the five-team bracket.
July 13, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Championships second session results

Midwest Championship results of second session:

65+ Platinum:
1. KC Kids
2. Dudley Lightning
3. Chicago Prime

65/70+ Gold:
1. Carriage Homes
2. Tex/Ark Legends
3. KC Kids 70s

70+ AA:
1. Chicago Hitmen
2. R&D Leverage

70+ AAA:
1. Texas Rattlers
2. USA Patriots
3. Anderson Roofing/50 Caliber STL

75+ Gold Division:
1. Maverick Construction
2. St. Charles Aces
3. Midwest Express

July 11, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Championships Session 1 results

Session 1 results from Midwest Championships in St. Charles, Mo:

40+ Master Gold:
1. Hub’s Pub
2. MTS/LS/Kandy/Midstate
3. Redbirds/A&M Handy

50+ Major:
1. 50 Degrees
2. Maher Homes NE Elite
3. S&S Exteriors

50+ AAA:
1. Team Mastery
2. Persuaders
3. Ontourage

55+ AAA:
1. KC Elite
2. STL Road Dogs
3. KC Stampede

60/65+ Gold:
1. Sea Glass
2. NSC Silver Bullets
3. BlueSpeed AV

55+ Major:
1. Dudley Lightning
2. KC Vintage
3. K&I

60+ Major:
1. Suncoast Midwest
2. 50 Caliber Silver
3. Big Daddy Donuts
July 9, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Wapelhorst rain update

Rain on Saturday morning delayed the first round of games about 30 minutes at Wapelhorst Park but we anticipate catching up quickly so later-arriving teams should plan on playing at their normal game times.
July 8, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings

50+ Major seeds:
1. Miken Franchise; 2. Maher Homes NE Elite; 3. 50 Degrees; 4. S&S Exteriors; 5. Senior Dogs.
July 8, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings

60+ Major seeding:
1. Dudley Lightning; 2. Peak Softball/Scrap Iron; 3. QC; 4. Suncoast Midwest; 5. Windy City Softball; 6. 50 Caliber Silver; 7. Big Daddy’s.
July 8, 2022
Donna McGuire
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Midwest Championship seedings

40+ Masters Gold seeds::
1. Southern Illinois Lightning; 2. Hub’s Pub.; 3. Redbirds/A&M Handy; 4. MTS/LS/Kandy/Midstate; 5. St. Louis Ultra
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