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Discussion: Tie Breaker Rule

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Sept. 12
JohnO28
Men's 50
127 posts
Played in a non SSUSA event this weekend and had something come up we've never seen before.

4 team pod with 2 pool play games so it's not a round robin. One team went 2-0 and one went 0-2. The two 1-1 teams played each other. team 1 gave up 33 runs while team 2 gave up 42 runs but team 2 beat team 1 in their head to head matchup.

When seeding came out the team that gave up 33 runs was 3 seed while the team that gave up 43 was the 2 seed. The director said that when there are ONLY 2 teams that are tied head to head matchup is used instead of runs against. If 3 or more teams are tied then it reverts back to runs given up.

There wasn't a single player there that had ever heard that rule before and none of us could understand how head to head trumps runs given up. Doesn't seem right that the entire rest of the games are decided by one set of rules and then 2 teams are governed by a different set of rules. You are basically throwing out what happened in the other game. I can see if it was round robin that head to head would be used as a tie breaker but can't see how it's not standard for everyone to use runs given up except 2 teams.

Can someone make sense of that to us because the director said that happens in every association and I've never seen it before. The only ones he could find to agree with him were umpires, not a single player.

Sept. 12
mck71
Men's 60
348 posts
John - While I agree the rules SHOULD be the same throughout, I would say LOGICALLY this is a fair way to break a tie because if you have 4 teams, 1 can be stronger and go 2 - 0, the other team is weaker and goes 0 - 2, how is it fair that the team that had to play the stronger team and give up more runs get penalized when they beat the the "equal" team head to head? I am not saying anything other than this SEEMS like the logical way a tiebreaker SHOULD work but again, usually doesn't. I have no dog in this fight, but if I was the team that got beat and was the 3rd seed instead of the 2nd seed I would honestly be ok with it but that is me.
Sept. 12
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4360 posts
In the 5-game-guarantee SSUSA realm, this isn't normally an issue because we would be playing a full three-game RR and the issue disappears ... But I will confess to having done that "h2h" decider in an even-number larger group, like a 10, with four 2-0 teams, four more at 0-2 and the last two at 1-1 and they played each other ... Then we're just deciding who's #5 and who's #6 ... Most people should be able to live with that h2h result being the decider, regardless of aggregate runs allowed ... In reality, most teams understand that better ...
Sept. 12
Garciastars
Men's 40
7 posts
If there are no other teams with the same record, I have always played in tournaments where h2h was the first tie breaker. What better way to decide the higher seed than the team that won the h2h match up?
Sept. 12
Rob64
Men's 60
221 posts
In this particular tournament I was more concerned with the Major teams playing AAA in 50 and 55 age divisions. Congratulations to Buell Fuel (55 MAJOR) for winning the 55AAA division!
Sept. 14
JohnO28
Men's 50
127 posts
Rob64,

Until Associations start holding teams to accountable to play in the divisions they've earned nothing will change. Sadly some teams would rather play against lesser talent than equal or better.
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