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Jan. 8, 2024
mck71
Topic: Bats
Discussion: Shaved Bats

Technically Gary, if they have end caps that are removable then it would be easier to shave but then likewise also easier to check if shaved? Seems this is a better solution to cutting the bat open whereas it would now be destroyed if legal? If you could get the end cap off to check legality, worst case is having to put the end cap back on if legal which if done correctly is NOT considered an altered bat, correct?
Jan. 2, 2024
mck71
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the rile

T2 - Technically SSUSA did not "come up with the 4th strike", the rule of a courtesy foul with a 1-1 count has been around a while actually. SSUSA and ISSA simply implemented this rule in their format so both assoc. have a possibility of a 4th strike as well as any other assoc. that uses 1 -1 with a courtesy.

Now I agree with titan that the 1-1 count was made to speed up the game, as an umpire I always appreciated that. I also believe that the courtesy foul was implemented as we USED to have a 0-0 count so 1-1 with a courtesy, it does speed up the game a little but not as much as a straight 1-1 count no foul.

Mike I agree that a foul tip caught should be an out period (which would then make T2's reasoning sound) but until SSUSA feels the need to change that verbiage and result, it is what it is.

Possibly add to the NOTE: A foul tip may be a “waste foul." Please see Rulebook §1.29 • FOUL TIP for definition.
Jan. 1, 2024
mck71
Topic: Rules of the game
Discussion: What's the rile

T2 - I realize you are an attorney and therefore LIKE to argue. I also get that you don't "like" the way the rule is written, ok, I can buy that. But "is an abomination of game, 4th strike", I mean that is a little too far IMO.

You start with a 1 - 1 count so you have 1 strike already. You then take a strike, that's 2. Now you have a foul to waste as they have played this rule for a few years. HOW you wasted that foul is what changes the AB from 3 strikes to 4, pretty simple and I believe doesn't warrant the word "abomination". Did you feel it was an abomination when they went to a 1 - 1 count? How do you feel about USSSA doing a 3 -2 count? Flip Flop rule? I mean it's still softball, big yellow ball comes in underhand.

We used to play 0 - 0 count and you got three strikes, now they start you with one and are ALLOWED a courtesy foul NOT CAUGHT. Agree or not agree, it's pretty simple (again, IMO) so the ONLY issue is whether we all agree on the foul tip caught as being a "waste foul" which based on THEIR rules, it is IF NOT THE FINAL STRIKE. You don't have to like the way their rules are written, I have seen that you have questioned the verbiage on more than one so you can simply write in your opinion in email or snail mail to the Rules Committee, that's the only way I have read on here that rules can be changed by we the players.

Wishing you all a happy and HEALTHY new year!
Dec. 21, 2023
mck71
Topic: Bats
Discussion: New rule on shaved bats

Got it. Thanks as always, happy holidays!
Dec. 21, 2023
mck71
Topic: Bats
Discussion: New rule on shaved bats

So what happens IF a bat is found altered AT either the TOC or the WC? Ex. bat was altered in Phoenix so that team would not be able to play in 2025 TOC, correct? B U T...

...if testing at TOC next month and bat found to be altered, team can't play in 2024 WC? and if found in 2024 WC then team can't play is 2025 TOC but can play in 2025 WC? Finally, are the players then frozen to that roster and not allowed to move to another team?

Apologies, just want to get clarity for myself as well as those reading because I believe there are a few gray area's based on the wording as stated above.

Happy Holidays! :-)
Dec. 20, 2023
mck71
Topic: Associations
Discussion: Older age groups playing younger age groups?

Se11out - what you can do is pay an additional registration fee to register your 50M team as a 40AAA team as they're equal in RI. As long as you don't pick up players for that tourney that would push your rating up (i.e. add 4 40M or M+ players) then your 50M team could compete in any 40AAA division tourney. Usually happens with M+ teams that want to play M because of the lack of teams playing M+ (ex. 55M+ playing as a 50M team). We did it a few years back as a 55M team, we were always struggling to get enough guys so we picked up 2 guys (younger brother and a cousin new to Sr Softball who were 50) and played 50AAA the rest of the year. We didn't win any tourneys that year but we were at least competitive and able to finish playing out the year. All about creative solutions. :-)

I would call the Home Office to confirm this is still a valid workaround. Good luck!
Dec. 7, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Shaved Bat

The only issue is that in the Definitions section of SSUSA rules book is says:
1.32 ILLEGAL BAT
An illegal bat is one that does not meet the requirements of rule 3.4

Basically saying that an Altered bat as defined in Section 3.4 IS an Illegal bat by SSUSA definition.

It's all semantics but I believe we all know it's still cheating as Dave said.
Dec. 6, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Shaved Bat

Thanks for putting this out there Mike, I totally agree with you. Extremely sad esp. with how hot senior bats are already. Definitely have to be careful when buying a "used" bat these days.

Motofox - the issue with compression testing is what number do you use? I have OG Dudley's that are legit and I have been swinging them for a lot of years, the must have thousands of swings on a few of them, assume they are pretty low compression. Would hate to be told I couldn't use a legal bat when I know it's clean.

I agree that shaved bats are everywhere, just not sure WHY a guy would swing one knowing he could injure someone (usually P, 1B or 3B as the closest players). I believe because most just don't care about anything but themselves? You will hear arguments about M+ levels needing that "edge", I call BS because usually they are the ones who are either better players or work harder or both, I would hate to think it's because you swing a shaved stick.

I am sorry that someone got hurt by someone who is cheating and not caring for that players safety, I truly hope that player who got hit is ok. I would have NO ISSUE paying for that bat to be cut open. I think more umpires and directors as well as knowledgeable players need to help police this issue (you can hear and see the difference a shaved bat makes, it really isn't that hard). I think first offense should be 5 yrs, then IF EVER a 2nd offense it's a ban for life. It has to be serious or people won't take it seriously.

This is a tough subject, I wish it wasn't true but we all know it is. Just sad.
Nov. 16, 2023
mck71
Topic: Teams looking for players
Discussion: how can you find out the rating of a player

cecil - Ratings are not listed on your card, players are rated by the teams they played on. To get your rating, the individual player or manager of the team can call the home office in Sacramento and request that information.
Nov. 12, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter National updates from FL

Thx Tim. Safe travels and don't forget your water buddy, gets hot in the desert! ;-)
Nov. 12, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter National updates from FL

Not sure who won but Dunn's had to beat Hudson Valley twice, Howe finished 3rd.
Nov. 12, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rose Mofford Sports Complex

Thx buddy. At least you are an hour or more ahead of schedule? :-)
Nov. 12, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rose Mofford Sports Complex

Come on Tim, no one cares about bringing water to the dessert, we just want to know who won the 60M! ;-)
Nov. 12, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter National updates from FL

Ok, update on 60AAA
WBF at 11am is Howe vs Hudson Valley (my apologies, pic yesterday afternoon was incorrect)
LB semi's at 9:30am is Dunn's vs Jackhammers
Nov. 12, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Winter National updates from FL

Thx Tim!

60AAA WBF is Howe vs Dunn. Not sure who are the other 2 teams in LB semi's, either Hudson Valley, Team Illinois or 4 other possible's, will try and get a pic of the bracket and repost.

Nov. 9, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rockin Reno

We were typing at the same time Dave, good catch!
Nov. 9, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: Rockin Reno

Looks like it's more of a typo for 60's, have them playing Friday May 24th to Wednesday June 26th, that is a pretty long weekend but one I wouldn't mind! :-)
Oct. 30, 2023
mck71
Topic: Players looking to join a team
Discussion: If you need a player at Orlando Winter World Nov 3-5

Wayne, this is an ISSA event so you will need to leave your state as any teams picking you up must be a border state. Good luck!
Oct. 29, 2023
mck71
Topic: Tournaments
Discussion: Ft Meyers qualifier

Welcome scooter. I would say session 1 (65 and over) early this week and session 2 shortly thereafter. Usually published here a week before the tourney in the red section at top of message board (where you see field assignments). Good luck!
Oct. 22, 2023
mck71
Topic: General and miscellaneous
Discussion: 2023 Worlds

Click on TOURNAMENTS heading at top
Scroll down to Tournament archive:
Select 2023
Scroll down to WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS
Click on that and when it opens, in the middle section are RESULTS
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