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| Dec. 10, 2021 Rangview85 18 posts | 3 Game Guarantee v.s Double Elimination Bracket Has anybody ever thought of playing three seeding games and than making the tournaments strictly Double Elimination?? Teams would still be guaranteed 5 games. Over the years with the three game guarantee brackets I have seen several games that just didn't matter and on some occasions it would benefit your team if you took a loss. For example, there was a time if we lost we would make it to Sunday, but if we won we still had another game to win to make it to Sunday. Just thought I would bring this up and see what every ones thoughts might be. Thanks in advance. |
| Dec. 10, 2021 SSUSA Staff 3491 posts | Seems like it's time to recycle this one again, for the seventh time - REPRINT OF MESSAGE BOARD POST FROM 2006, 2011, 2012 (twice), 2014 and 2016 ON TOPIC: There are three principal reasons SSUSA adopted (in 2006) the two Round Robin into Three-Game-Guarantee Bracket (2RR/3GG) format for brackets of five or more teams – 1. A strong majority of teams believe that the ‘real’ tournament begins only when the elimination bracket begins, regardless of its structure. The 2RR/3GG format gets teams into the brackets earlier and keeps them there longer, meeting that majority belief while still complying with the five game guarantee offered in SSUSA events. 2. The 2RR/3GG format requires less total games than the former 3RR/DE structure. With the growth in the number of teams being at a faster rate than the availability of new playing facilities, ‘every game counts’ in scheduling. 3. In any division with an odd number of teams playing a three-game seeding, one of those teams must play an “exhibition” game that doesn’t count in the standings, but constitutes that team’s fourth game prior to the bracket. Almost all teams that draw that extra game believe it is unfair. There are no “exhibition” games in the 2RR/3GG format. The 3GG format is also the industry norm for the ASA, NSA, USSSA and almost all other significant softball associations. |
| Dec. 10, 2021 Rangview85 18 posts | Just being "Devils Advocate" here..... Has it been discussed recently? Kinda like how an 11th man was just added to the 65 age group? Apparently opinions can change. 1. It would change a little I think of when the "real" tournament begins because seedings would mean a little more. 2. Less total games does help SSUSA, I would agree with that. 3. With a win or loss in some of the 3GG formats you don't move forward, you just move up and/or down. To me that is an "exhibition " game. Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. |
| Dec. 10, 2021 DaveDowell Men's 70 4321 posts | No worries, RV85 ... I don't have an opinion on what, if anything, might be a discussion topic for change ... This is the "why we do it" recap ... Thanks for commenting ... Maybe others will chime in ... |
| Dec. 10, 2021 Enviro-Vac Men's 65 489 posts | Our team would take and prefer the 3 game RR with a double KO over current configurations. |
| Dec. 11, 2021 DaveDowell Men's 70 4321 posts | E-V-M ... Of course you would! ... When we scheduled under the 3RR into DE format in the old days, you guys were the only team that would call and tell me: "Hey, we're traveling a long way from Canada to the USA to play ball, so if there's an extra game that has to be played by someone, WE WANT IT!" ... I admired that attitude! ... It was a refreshing change from those who chose to whine about it instead ... Merry Christmas! ... |
| Dec. 12, 2021 Alamo 27 posts | A format of DE is great. Last year Vegas in the 75 AAA --- 4 RR n single elimination -- what a waste of money. Give a team to chance to play. |
| Dec. 12, 2021 Alamo 27 posts | That was 4 pool games. Should of being a round robin tournament. And not a single elimination bracket. |
| Dec. 12, 2021 DaveDowell Men's 70 4321 posts | Alamo ... In scheduling the age 75+ and more senior divisions, I do everything I can to prevent you playing more than two games per day in potentially very hot conditions in Las Vegas ... This is an overriding health and safety tournament structure for your personal benefit ... Your tournament had a maximum of 30 potential games (including the "If" game) ... To have played a 10-team DE after those 20 RR games would have tacked on another 19 games, for a total of 39 ... Thursday could have had teams playing as many as five games in six time slots ... Every team had their 5-game-guarantee met, exactly as advertised ... The format was designed with your health and welfare as a priority, whether or not you appreciate, or like, it ... |
