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Discussion: AA bracket

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May 17
Funwiththesuns

37 posts
Why is SSUSA still having AA brackets? I thought that SSUSA was going to do away with the AA Division and move them up to AAA. The Reno tournament has only have 2 teams which really doesn't make a difference as to who wins or loses. But to mix them up with the AAA bracket kinds of messes thing up for the AAA teams. I think that SSUSA should really look at removing the AA teams and move them up to AAA. A new team that comes into the tournaments must start at AAA and not AA. In the major tournaments I think if there are more than 4 teams in AA that they should have a bracket of there own. If not they should play AAA. Just my thoughts, AA is only a fun bracket with really no serious thought of winning because teams that play know the will place lst or 2nd because AA don't play in the big tournaments.
May 17
SSUSA Staff

3493 posts
If there are two teams or more, each rating group gets a bracket (and a Best 2 of 3 Championship Series is actually a Double Elimination bracket) ... The AA Division is the only division where a team has to "play their way down" to that level ... It's inherently unfair to drag them back up into a rating (AAA) where they have previously proved to be unable to compete effectively ... That is counter to our long-standing philosophy of protecting the lower rated team when divisions have to be combined ...
May 17
Funwiththesuns

37 posts
So what you are saying is that the AA teams not a strong as AAA when so of the AA teams beat AAA teams in seeding games. So in a seeding game, is not used for strength of a team?
May 17
SSUSA Staff

3493 posts
We're reasonably sure, approaching certain, we didn't (and wouldn't) say that ... The AA teams, not surprisingly, have a common characteristic in that the are "consistent in their inconsistency", making analyzing their results, but not yours as a AAA, confusing at times ... We see AA teams that, for example, may play five games and have a 7-25-10-16-9 run production line ... A couple of games in single digits, a game over 2-dozen and a couple in the teens! ... If a AA team beats a AAA team in seeding, it may also have been a close game, win or lose, by the equalizer runs ... And that's the intention of the equalizer ... There are all sorts of reasons why any team beats another team, especially when there is no bracket pressure to win ... But we track and analyze all games played in SSUSA by all teams ...

We "cut" our statistical scoring database several ways, including games "inside/outside" of the native age group/rating and again by seeding vs. bracket games within each category ... What sometimes (more than it should) becomes apparent is the lengths that some higher rated teams will go to in order to "keep their data in line" ... We have teams that apparently strive to be 1-1 or 0-2 in seeding play and then turn it on to waltz through the bracket ... The only logical conclusion we see is the effort to "manage their data" so they don't appear too strong! ... Please don't overthink this, just go out an play hard every time and it all works out ... Good luck! ...

May 17
TimMcElroy

942 posts
If AA is a "for fun bracket with no serious thought of winning" then what do think of the AAA bracket? How do you think the Major / Major Plus teams perceive you?
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