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Discussion: Courtesy Runner

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May 10, 2023
Yogi08
2 posts
Courtesy Runner
Can a runner on base refuse a courtesy runner?
May 10, 2023
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4281 posts
That's between your baserunner and your manager ... We "don't have a dog in that fight" ... As a Director, I would not be interested in having an umpire delay a game while that dispute is resolved ...
May 10, 2023
DieselDan
Men's 75
594 posts
Situations like this should have been handled at the beginning of the season or at least before a tournament starts.
May 10, 2023
Yogi08
2 posts
Question isn't about the umpire. Does SSUSA have a rule that states that a baserunner has to accept a courtesy runner or is this totally up to the manager. I am not talking about Tournament rules. Just regular Senior Softball rules.
May 10, 2023
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4281 posts
Same answer: This issue is between the base runner (who apparently doesn't want to have someone run for him) and the manager (who apparently has a differing opinion) ... The CR rules are an option for the team batting to take advantage of in certain circumstances ... There is NO rule requiring a CR nor is there any rule permitting a base runner to refuse to vacate the base if a CR is deployed ...

Forgetting for the moment the complete absurdity of actually having a base runner and a manager arguing about it during a game, the two managers are the (only) people in charge of substitutions and, by extension, CR's ... If the offense team's manager says "#xx running for #yy", as a Director I would rule that to be what's going to happen ... Please solve your disagreement privately and before it becomes a waste of time in a game ... So, on that basis alone, it IS an umpire's issue because, as the Director, I would instruct him to resume the game without delay ...

May 10, 2023
DieselDan
Men's 75
594 posts
"Sir, yes sir!"
May 10, 2023
stick8
1991 posts
Yogi08, short answer is yes a runner can refuse a courtesy runner. I actually did it once. I was on second as the 7th run of the inning (we were major plus). Being that it was hot that day our coach thought I may have been tired. When the guy came out to run I told him “no way, I got this” Batter got a base hit and I scored easily. It
May 11, 2023
NYGNYY
214 posts
We have it happen in every tournament where someone gets pissed off if they’re asked to have a runner. It actually becomes more of a joke and we all wait to see how pissed off the person gets. If someone is faster than me and wants to run….God bless. If you’re ego is chasing you in your 60’s or 70’s might want to set your sights on bigger things.
May 11, 2023
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4281 posts
stick8 and NY˛ ... I'm not surprised about that in the slightest ... The circumstance is pretty common, but that's not really what yogi08 was asking ... He appears to be seeking clarity on whether or not there is a Rulebook provision to support the "I'm running for myself!!" side of the baserunner vs. manager debate ... There's not ... The "ego" is the last thing to go..................

May 11, 2023
Bruce M
Men's 55
121 posts
Agree with Dave here. As an umpire, part of my job is to keep the game flowing. Most games are on the clock. I'm not going to suspend play while a player argues with their manager.
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