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Discussion: 5gg spring championships

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Feb. 25, 2023
TD. Tom
71 posts
5gg spring championships
I am just checking..
Most tournaments have changed to 5gg but I see the spring championships in st. George and bullhead city are still 4gg for 595.00
Is this correct or just missed that one to make the change?
Feb. 25, 2023
SSUSA Staff
3333 posts
The Aloha Bowl (Hawaii), Spring Worlds (Mesquite/St. George/Bullhead City) and Spring Nationals (Polk County) are all going to be 4-games minimum scheduled events at their originally posted entry fees ... At this late time, and with the number of teams who have already paid the lesser rates, it didn't seem fair to ask them to pay more ... The 5-games minimum scheduled events will commence with the Tidewater Classic in Virginia Beach, VA, in late March ...

Feb. 25, 2023
HAWAIIANS #9
Men's 60
5 posts
Staff, your post is making me an unhappy camper. just needed to voice out my opinion.

At this late time, [I agree here, you could've create a 5 GG format, but elected not to.]

and with the number of teams who have already paid the lesser rates,[agree-according to survey a 75$ increase along with posted entire of 595$ comes to a total of 670$ for a 5 GG tourney],

it didn't seem fair to ask them to pay more ...
[ here is where I strongly disagree with your post. last year 2022 Hawaii State Qualifier, entry fee was 450$, and it was a 5 GG with lesser team, played just this pass June of 2022. Tourney director was Jeffery Kimoto, and supported by Senior Softball USA. Now Sacarmento (HQ) runs the Aloha Bowl 2023, posting a 595$ entry fee and making this a 4 GG tourney. this brings about a increase of 145$, and from 5 GG to a 4 GG.

If anyone from HQ be out at the Aloha Bowl, I would mahalo the opportunity to speak with people from HQ to take back to open discussion with peers in HQ.

my rant Aloha.
Feb. 25, 2023
SSUSA Staff
3333 posts
Noted. There will be a contract Tournament Director on site who will listen and report back. Assuming this is an annual T.O.C. qualifier, it should be a 5-games format in 2024.

March 1, 2023
Brock
Men's 80
84 posts
Hawaiians Makes a good point.

I just checked the Rocky Mountain Championships. Last year the entry fee was $560 for five game guarantee. For 2023 you raised the fee to $660 and reduced the guarantee to four games. Now the fee has gone up to $735 and back to a five game guarantee, the same as last year. Bottom line is that you've raised the fee $175 or 31.25% over last year. My guess is that if I check the other TOC qualifiers that I will find similar results. Talk about inflation! Somebody needs to sharpen their pencil.
March 1, 2023
nickname36
70 posts
Dont Forget tournaments are starting on Thursday and more days off from
work for people who still work. When they went to Thrusday starts I dropped my
50s and 60s teams because of lack of players, 3 days for vac time dosent work
with a family and work, plus we seemed to always get stuck up at hollywood &
shadow rock.
March 2, 2023
AJC
Men's 60
211 posts
Nickname, for 60's and younger divisions the only tournament that im aware of that starts on Thursday is the Worlds. The rest have not changed and still start on Friday. It changed around 5 years ago and we were not too excited about having to take an extra day off. But now we can appreciate having a little more down time rather than sitting at the ball park all day starting at 7am.
March 2, 2023
SSUSA Staff
3333 posts
AJC You're correct that the ONLY Thursday starts are in the World's for teams under age 60+ ... And on topic, here are the number of teams who WILL be out at 0-2 in a 4-game-guarantee bracket for divisions between 4 and 20 teams ... NOTE: "Bye" teams can get their bye, then fail to protect themself and lose two, but winning just ONE bracket game converts a 4-Game-Guarantee to a 5-Game-Guarantee for your team ... That's on the team ...

(Total Min. 0-2's)
4 1
5 2
6 0
7 1
8 2
9 1
10 2
11 1
12 0
13 1
14 2
15 3
16 4
17 3
18 3
19 4
20 4

March 2, 2023
HSquared
Men's 60
131 posts
Need help.. Based on above "will be out at 0-2" statement, referring specifically to the 6 team configuration, ZERO teams will be eliminated?

I asked, because using the Bullhead, Jan 20-21, Men's 50/55+ Platinum Division 6 Teams, as an example, does not the loser of game 5 (if loser of game 1 is the same) AND/OR the loser of game 6 (if loser of game 2 is the same), get eliminated after 2 games and go home? TIA
March 3, 2023
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4095 posts
H ... In the DE-6 configuration, ZERO teams are guaranteed to be 0-2, but as many as two could be ... The losers of Games #1-2 are both 0-1, and IF the loser of Game #3 or #4 is the #1 and/or #2 seed, then you could have two teams go 0-2 ... But no team is GUARANTEED to go 0-2 unless bye team(s) lose ... You mentioned Game #5 (L1 v. L4), so let's play with that one ... Game #5 has L1 (@ 0-1) v. either W2/L4 (@ 1-1) OR the #2 seed (@ 0-1) ... If W2 is also L4, then it's in Game #5 at 1-1 vs. L1 ... If L-1 wins Game #5 v. W2/L4, Then they advance to Game #8 at 1-1 and W2/L4 is eliminated at 1-2 ... And NO 0-2 comes out of that quadrant of the bracket ... The same analysis would apply for Game #6 ... Let's talk about this when I get there ... It may be too dangerous for you to try at home! ... JUST KIDDING!

March 3, 2023
softball4b
Men's 70
1207 posts
weeds..crickets...weeds...crickets...I have enough trouble with the flip, that is why I send out Kenny V.
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