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Discussion: Tie-Breaker in Round-Robin Play

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Dec. 26, 2022
SCUBA
83 posts
Tie-Breaker in Round-Robin Play
SSUSA Rulebook 2019-2020, Rule 13.6 Tie-Breaker in Round-Robin Play
What is the definition of a "FULL" round-robin?
Dec. 26, 2022
mck71
Men's 60
336 posts
Their def is the same as most, means if you play every team in your division PRIOR to elimination (ex. 4 teams in your division so you would play 3 play in games, 1 vs each team then double elim). I have also seen where with older groups where they have 6 - 8 teams, they play each other 1 time and best record wins. I am sure someone will come on and state it better than I but that is basically what it means.
Dec. 26, 2022
SCUBA
83 posts
Thanks, mck71. Your explanation certainly makes a lot of sense.

But let me pose the following question:
If during the seeding round, your team plays every team in your division but also plays one of the teams in another division, is this still a "FULL" round-robin?

For example,
Division I consists of Teams A, B, and C. Team A plays B and C but also plays Team D from Division II.
Team B plays A and C but also plays Team E from Division II. And finally, Team C plays A and B but also plays Team F from Division II.
Since the Teams in Division I all have slightly different seeding schedules, is this still considered a "FULL" round-robin?
Dec. 26, 2022
mck71
Men's 60
336 posts
Simple answer, yes Scuba.

Usually happens with odd number of teams in division (say 3) OR they use your division to get a play in game for another.

Your example is EXACTLY what I would do to get play in and guaranteed games in (the 5 makes it a little trickier) and believe it is applied here as well, Dave would confirm that for sure next time he comes on.
Dec. 26, 2022
Rob64
Men's 50
196 posts
That would be nice to play a round robin with an 8 team bracket and play everyone once (7 game guarantee)! Where does SSUSA hold those tournaments?
Dec. 26, 2022
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4252 posts
SCUBA ... It's not unusual for that type of structure at all ... For example, in a mixed 5-team seeding pool with, say, two Major+ (Teams #1-2) and three Major (Teams #3-5), I will schedule a full four-game RR (less the 1v2 game) prior to the Championship splits ... Day1 Games: 3v1, 4v2, 1v5, 2v3, 5v4 and Day2 Games: 3v5, 4v3, 5v2, 1v4 ... The Major+ will then play a Best 2 of 3 and the Major play a DE-3, with seeding based only on the Major v. Major games: 5v4, 4v3 and 3v5 ... That's what the Format phrase INTERNAL SEEDING refers to ...

Rob64 ... I've scheduled that format occasionally in the World's and larger events with some of the most senior age groups, like 75's, 80's and 85's when playing a bracket would cause too many games in a day ... From a player safety perspective, we are very reluctant to schedule them for more than two, or an occasional three games per day, as opposed to them playing as many as five games in six game slots on Championship Day ... It's always a "split decision", with 50 percent approval rating: [1] It's either a GREAT idea that they get to play seven different teams, with all game times certain, or [2] I'm the most stupid individual who ever put a pencil to a notepad to draft a schedule because it's NEVER a tournament without a DE bracket and every fool knows that! ... That debate is always good for a laugh or ten around here ...

Dec. 26, 2022
garyheifner
636 posts
As long as tournament formats came up: The 75 AAA played "4" prelims and single elimination. I personally believe this is one of the worst formats.
Sure, an easy way to get 5 games in. Most of the guys really don't care about those 2 xtra prelims.
They are just trying to get the the single elimination in some form of physical health. Just do the standard 2 and then bracket play.


Dec. 26, 2022
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4252 posts
Well, that didn't take long for the first 50% advocate to chime in! ...
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