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March 4, 2021
Benji4
244 posts
LVSSA
Personally I am glad SSUSA distanced themselves from LVSSA. The LVSSA tourney in Bullhead City last weekend was a CLOWN SHOW. No directors available, mis-information provided by Directors, kid umpires wearing skinny jean yoga pants who don't know the rules, other umpires challenging players to a fight in the parking lot, drop dead time rules in the middle of an inning, seeding games that we were later told didn't matter.

So for me personally I couldn't care less what LVSSA posted about SSUSA. There is no comparison. Won't be playing LVSSA anytime soon because it is a CLOWN SHOW...........

Benji
March 4, 2021
Dbax
Men's 65
1939 posts
Where can I read what LVSSA posted?
March 4, 2021
Fabe
Men's 60
434 posts
Sad to hear this... started Senior ball in 2006 n LVSSA was doing Vegas tourneys then. Our Island teams have many good memories during these times! Stay healthy n safe my Braddahs! Aloha, Fabe
March 4, 2021
SSUSA Staff
3060 posts
Dbax ... Facebook
March 5, 2021
softball4b
Men's 65
1137 posts
I have no dawg in this fight and have played in multiple LVSSA and SSUSA events over the past 20+ years. Divorce is never pleasant, “who gets the stuff, who gets the kids, who gets the friends.” My take on the situation is more is better. If LVSSA thinks it can improve its position for the organization and its members, go for it. The more organizations and events “might” bring down the cost of the product (tourneys) overall or it may not. Options are options and I have friends associated with both organizations, same with SPA and ISSA. Either way airing issues publicly is not beneficial to anyone. If one organization has a legal complaint, we have systems in place to litigate same. If one organization is a better marketer (?) or negotiator then that will be demonstrated in more attractive dates and attendance. If the product is not up to par due to experience or lack there of, that will be demonstrated by comments and or resulting attendance. Please everyone take a breath and let the free market work. Stay safe and “Play Ball”.
March 5, 2021
DieselDan
Men's 70
455 posts
SB4b

"If LVSSA thinks it can improve its position for the organization and its members, go for it."

A big bonus for members of the LVSSA was teams were working the April/September tournaments and money normally going to non members to drag/line the fields between games, goes to those teams and the earned money usually pays all the tournaments entered. Just $80/year for dues. After a recent phone call, the players have asked, but have not heard if the new tournaments they put on will allow teams to work them. Time will tell if breaking up with SSUSA over around $11K is worth it, especially all the money paid into the club.
March 5, 2021
softball4b
Men's 65
1137 posts
Just to be clear, I do not know if it makes $en$e for the $plit, but more importantly I don't care. Organizations can merge and split as they deem necessary. It is the board members of the respective groups that determine direction. I just don't care to see the why(s) in a public forum, if the forum cannot affect change. We players can only participate or not in the result, we cannot cause or stop the process.
March 7, 2021
Webbie25
Men's 65
2294 posts
Dave, for those of us that do not do Hatebook any more, could you post what LVSSA posted? Benji-a little story about drop dead time limits. Albuquerque, Senior Olympics a few years back had a drop dead time limit at 40 minutes. No game went over 4 innings and they rang a bell to signal the end of the game. Runner on third and no outs-the lead run. Fly ball to the outfield, runner tags and easily scores, EXCEPT the bell rang just before he crossed the scoring line. NO RUN!!!!!Tie game. That's a true drop dead time limit.
March 9, 2021
Wood_1966
Men's 55
155 posts
While the break-up i sone thing, I will say I also played in the Bullhead tournament and the umpires were some of the worst I have yet to come across. But, alot of what LVSSA was doing was trying to make the games more fun and interesting. I loved the designated HR hitter! In senior softball with senior bats you can accidentally hit the ball 301 feet, and sometimes scold a line drive that never gets over 20 feet off the ground over the fence, this rule helps keep that hit in play. I love what they are trying to do, and while the umpires were bad I look for that to be better at their next event!
March 10, 2021
UMP AR
8 posts
I umpired in this tournament. I am proud of what I did and received numerous compliments. I arrived early daily,was in "uniform" and adhered to the playing rules as explained. I am only speaking from my personal umpire experience and have no comment regarding the original post in this chain....by the way I would umpire for them again.
March 10, 2021
Dbax
Men's 65
1939 posts
If you are so proud, why do you post anonymously?
March 10, 2021
UMP AR
8 posts
Dbax........Mike Nicholas
March 10, 2021
tucsondoubleplay
12 posts
I played in a LVSSA tournament years ago that had local members umpiring and also acting as field director/expert and our team got the short end of the calls. Moved to Vegas, became a member of the LVSSA membership and participated in some of the tournaments and realized that the 2 individuals that were the umpire and field director were local players and a very poor choice to be involved in running a tournament. Don't know any of the LVSSA board members now but they are the ones responsible and need to use better judgement running tournaments. Don't cut corners hiring poor umpires just to make a profit.
March 10, 2021
Benji4
244 posts
Mike Nicholas

As long as you aren't in your 20's, wore skinny jeans yoga pants, or challenged players to a fight in the parking lot then you have nothing to worry about reference my first post. If you are either of those two umpires then you stink.........

Benji
March 11, 2021
stick8
1845 posts
Before SSUSA moved their worlds to Las Vegas I remember playing the LVSSA worlds. At that time it seemed LVSSA was a tougher tournament. I don’t recall the umpiring to be bad in any outlandish way. I do remember a strange rule. Even if you had home runs left the home team couldn’t hit a home run to win the game in the open inning. Perhaps I missed something but I never understood the reasoning behind that rule.
March 11, 2021
UMP AR
8 posts
Benji4 65, umpire slacks, no fights
March 11, 2021
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3280 posts
stick8 ... You're probably back far enough in history to the days of "one-up" HR rules! ... I remember clearly the prohibition against a home team going "one up" to win the game in the bottom of the Open inning and agree with that ... Without another inning, the visitor would have no opportunity to pull even on HR's ... I also remember the rule as you described it, but I never understood the rationale (if any) either ...
March 11, 2021
sdc
20 posts
So LVSSA and SSUSA divorce I agree with softball4b I do not care. As in most splits neither side can let it go. One side posted something on Facebook so the other side has to respond. Now teams, players choose sides and there are good and bad comments made on both sides. In a split there is always enough blame to go around. Just as in players and umps friction can occur. For me there are some umps I would hope they never ump our games but you play and move on why say anything. If a ump was truthful there are some teams they would rather not ump but they do an move on. LVSSA and SSUSA the split is done MOVE ON. Tourneys are still being played so what has changed.
March 11, 2021
stick8
1845 posts
Dave i sure do. I’m not sure where the one up rule originated but that was the rule when we played NSA. And it was a rule that I agreed with. Once the hr limits was reached by both teams the visiting team never wanted to be one up in hrs in the last inning. When we were fortunate enough to do our part we would tell our pitcher to serve up a meat ball!!
March 11, 2021
Webbie25
Men's 65
2294 posts
I will admit to being one of the loudest proponents of a rule that did not allow teams to go 'one up' with a home run in the bottom of the last inning to win a game.This effectively gave the home team an extra home run over the visiting team. But the rule was never intended to be one that does not allow a home team to win with a legal home run just because it was the 7th inning. If you have one left, you did it right.
March 11, 2021
DCPete
394 posts
The 1-Up rule was great in that added a lot of extra strategy for both teams about if or when to hit one out or whether to walk a potential HR hitter on the other team.
And it made sense not to allow the Home team to go 1-up in the last inning since they already had an advantage being the Home team.
March 12, 2021
neck10
684 posts
hi stick!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 12, 2021
stick8
1845 posts
What’s up Rickey?
March 13, 2021
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1348 posts
Dave, I was very involved in NSA when the 1 up rule was instituted. At the time we also had ASA, ISA, WASA, and Utrip in the area, and none of them had that rule. The first year everything was straight up. My state director and few others argued that it gave an unfair home team advantage. I tried to point out that was equal for both teams. They wanted to take away the 1 up for the home team in the last inning. I told them as a coach that if they did that I would always take visitor as the rule change gave them an advantage on homeruns. Of course they changed the rule the second year. That logic just isn't sound to you or me but is what they did.
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