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Nov. 23, 2020
Popa
6 posts
Forfeit
This question is from experience of this past weekend at Cesar Chavez Park 40s winter worlds. On 11/20 Friday night our team was forfeited at 702pm due to 8 players. We had player rushing from parking lot and others driving from hotels. Seed play had delays and we were told by our player at 640pm who waited around from our last game of 1230pm that we were playing at 7pm. We did not get a phone call, text, or digital upload of bracket to keep teams informed. As far as we knew Last game of seed play was at 630pm and that would determine who would be playing at 7pm. That was not enough time and we were expecting a grace period due to the delays, we would of been able to take the field with our 8 players and 2 from the parking lot. We requested director and decision was not changed and forfeit was given to us at 702. Coin flip would determined if we were the 8 batters to start or the 9th player would of entered the field during warm up. How can we in the future prevent this or what changes could be made or how else could we have handled this.
Nov. 23, 2020
TimMcElroy
721 posts
With only 4 teams getting a bye, everyone that wasn't 2-0 should have expected to play again on Friday night. It appears that the other teams did just that.

I was not the director at your park this weekend but am an SSUSA director. IMO, you have to be consistent with all teams at all tournaments. Bending the start time rules for one team this weekend leads to expectations that rules will be bent the next time, or worse- a perception that the director(s) look out for certain teams. It is a slippery slope.

I also manage a team so I get your frustration. Eight guys on your team were at the park ready to play at 7:00 (or possibly a game later). I'd be most frustrated with the guys who weren't there on time.

Anyway- sorry this happened to you.
Nov. 23, 2020
DaveDowell
Men's 65
3164 posts
Tim and Popa ... It's a rather harsh result, but not without fair notice ... Every SSUSA OFFICIAL GAME CARD has this legend on the card right above the score by inning section ...

GAME TIME, AS LISTED ON THE OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT SCHEDULE, IS ALSO FORFEIT TIME

It makes it very difficult to explain to the team that was there and ready to go why the other team, who wasn't, should get an advantage by being late in that circumstance ... I suspect you will be a team that will not find itself similarly situated on the short end of that proposition in the future ...

Nov. 23, 2020
Popa
6 posts
Thank you TimMcElroy & DaveDowell for your input, it is much appreciated and this for sure will not happen again. We were without a manager this weekend which caused us to experience this dilemma so thank you guys again for your time and efforts in keeping us playing.
Nov. 24, 2020
Funwiththesuns
36 posts
Popa

If I can help you out with this type of problem may I suggest that you have a bench manager should your manager not be able to make a tournament. I am a manager for a team and sometimes I can't make a tournament so I have a bench manager to run the team for me. Also what I have my team do is show up one (1) hour before game time because you don't know if anything can happen to a player or family member that a player will be late or not show up. These are only suggestions that may help you.
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