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May 15
k man
Men's 65
329 posts
Nice job with the Loudon scores being posted after Day 1.
May 15
Duffy7

6 posts
With all the rain coming Friday will the 40’s be delayed or cancelled? Trying to figure out if I need to cancel my room for Thursday night. Thanks
May 15
Chief144
Men's 70
160 posts
Duffy7,
See Priority msg above about weather decisions for the Loudon tournament.
May 16
Paco12

19 posts
Cancel the darn tournament, you know is going to rain the entire weekend. So what if you as an organization loose few $$$. Do what is right for your clients. My 2 cents.

PR Ninja out!

Remember "JESUS TE AMA"
May 16
Cookie92

35 posts
Paco12, unfortunately we will have to drive down, knowing that the extended forecast is calling for rain on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, which is somewhat understandable, because things could actually change and the tournament could be completed, not likely thought. But don't drag the tournament out just to keep the entry fees and the hotel money. If it's raining on your play day and the forecast is calling for rain, do the right thing...
May 16
AllTournyPit

18 posts
I tried to get someone on the phone to discuss the up coming weather and I was told that they don't give out tournament directors phone numbers. They also said, you have to show up on game day to get your decision.. What kind of bullshit is that?! Drive 4 hours and get charged for rooms you don't need only to be told the tournament is cancelled because you don't give out Directors phone numbers!!!!
May 16
Cookie92

35 posts
It seems pretty simple to me

1) Check the weather forecast for today and the fields. If it is currently raining to make the fields unplayable, that's an issue.
2) Check the weather forecast for Thursday and the fields. If it is raining on Thursday, thereby making the fields unplayable, after two straight days of rain, that's an issue.

If after one or two days of rain and the extended weather forecast is calling for rain on Friday and Saturday(which it currently is), then there are a lot of issues and the tournament should be cancelled..

Unless you know a director personally, you are not getting any numbers. Call one of the local colleges to see if it's raining down there. For example;Potomac College Herndon or University of Phoenix Northern Virginia Campus or George Mason University to determine if they are playing any of their sporting event...
May 16
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4353 posts
You talked to me ATP and that's not what you were told ... You're certainly entitled to quote me because I am comfortable with what I say ... But there is an implied obligation on your part to quote me accurately ... You didn't ... You were told ...

• We do not give out Director personal phone numbers (you got that one right);
• We are 2,700 miles from the tournament site and do not have accurate weather information to make any decision;
• We would send your name and cell phone number to all three Directors (already done)
• We do NOT cancel an event based on a forecast and our policy is that "All play/no-play decisons are made at the fields of play at game time";
• We at no time told you that you had to show up ... You only have to do that if you want to be there when play commences ...

Calls to ALL Session #2 managers are being made now ... They are being advised to be present and ready to play 30 miunutes prior to YOUR scheduled game time, and that THE TOURNAMENT HAS NOT BEEN CANCELED at this time (1:00 PM EDT)

May 16
AllTournyPit

18 posts
DD...my bad...I just figured if I didn't have a phone number, I needed to show up. Either way, I have to spend money on a hotel unless you can give teams 4, 5, or 6 hours notice so they can get there on time, game day.
May 16
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4353 posts
No worries ... Your Manager is or will be up to speed, now and as conditions may change ... All decisions are being made (appropriately) in Loudoun County ... We hope you all play ... Right now, Mother Nature appears to be "at the plate" ... Good luck!
May 16
Cookie92

35 posts
65's played their bracket games today, five innings only...
May 17
Player

86 posts
We’ve played the last two days and the fields were in excellent shape. Kudos have to be given to the grounds crew. Apparently, the games for today, Thursday, are cancelled, but the last two days, were great playing days.
May 17
Cookie92

35 posts
I have been told that all games for today have been cancelled. My app shows that starting at 8:00 AM, there is an 80 % chance of rain.. So now one day is "lost", which means the most likely way to get everything in is to go to five innings games. Of course that will only work, if there isn't any more rain and my app show rain for today, Friday and Saturday...
May 17
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
Cookie - Not sure what your intent is with this post. Anyone who has a smart phone or a computer knows the weather does not look good for this weekend and post above you says games were cancelled today. That said, I will be getting on the road later this am for at least 5 hrs (weather traffic permitting) to get to Loudoun and attend the managers meeting to see what their thoughts are. If you are the manager and attend, you will know first hand, if not, hopefully your manager will communicate that to your team like I will to mine. Truly sux but as the saying goes "it is what it is", especially when you have a big tourney like this, been this way for years! Good luck to all, safe travels and hopefully we get to play and no one gets hurt.
May 17
nomar1fan
Men's 50
24 posts
Agree with mck71 - it is what it is ...
May 17
Duffy7

6 posts
I disagree. . . You have to know by now if you will be postponing the bracket play for Friday at the very least. Giving this info will at least save teams from wasting money on Hotels for Tonight. Tomorrow is calling for 2" of rain and heavy thunderstorms are possible tonight. It's pretty obvious that Tomorrow will be a wash!! Luckily some Hotels are giving until 3pm today to cancel tonight's rooms as an Exception. Due to the Preakness this Weekend Hotels are all sold out so they need to know by 3 or we will be charged. Please out of common courtesy do the right thing and give an Update for friday before 3.
May 17
Duffy7

6 posts
To the people who are down there. Is there anyone selling Cleats? Dont think my turfs are going to be the go to footwear this weekend. Thanks in Advance.
May 17
ccan24

1 posts
Duffy7 you’re killing me right now !! Let go to dicks !
May 17
Joerb

6 posts
Flying in tomorrow morning. Any news from the managers meeting?
May 17
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
New schedules were handed out, your coach should have gotten a call with your start time. Brambleton complex not being used so 50AAA are at Philip Bolen and 55 Platinum/Gold are at Potomac Lake Sportsplex (these fields are in better shape and now Parks can use the extra maint guys to help on the 2 complexes in play). There is a single play in game for seeding then straight double elim. New brackets are being worked on and will be at the fields tomorrow. IF there are any issues at the fields in the am (i.e. they are not ready to be played on), TD will call teams in order of their games. IF YOU ARE NOT CALLED, BE AT THE FIELD READY TO PLAY 30 MINS BEFORE GAME TIME. Also, DO NOT USE the Parks call Number in for weather delays, decisions are being made by TD at the fields.
May 18
Jwin1276
Men's 40
3 posts
We are driving 6 hours to play today we are playing in the 40 and over division hope we are playing. ok
May 18
r4pitch

93 posts
calling for 2 inches of rain best of luck
May 18
Jwin1276
Men's 40
3 posts
I hope this is still on. Driving 6 hours now to get there.
May 18
Oneal

4 posts
Were they able to play any games today?
May 18
birdie
Men's 70
803 posts
It has been raining all day here in Springfield Va. I am about 15 miles from the fields.I would have to say no games today. The threads about the tounament have been removed. They maybe redoing the schedules. Glad we got some 70 games in. Thanks Harry #20 NVV
May 18
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
At Philip Bolen, 50AAA had the 1 play in and 2 elim games (yes, we played 3 games, fields not great by the 3rd game). Think they started at Potomac but rained heavier there, all play has been suspended today, they are working on contingency plans as we speak!
May 18
nomar1fan
Men's 50
24 posts
So someone please tell me I'm wrong and misunderstood - one pool game into single elimination? Driving 7 hours paying $500 dollars for possibly only 2 ganmes?
May 18
brhodes27

16 posts
1 pool play game into single elimination .... smart play Senior softball... We'll get the pool play game in and then it'll get cancelled = you keep all the money for 1 game
May 18
DEJ13

18 posts
Drove 7 hours to be told our game was cancelled today due to field conditions which I predicted last night. It rained most of the day today and it will rain all night into the early morning. (As I just watched the full weather report on the news). Our team was just told 9AM game tomorrow morning. I do not expect the field conditions to be any better in the AM if not worse but hey try to squeeze in the only age group that has not played yet so you can keep the $535. What a bunch of money hungry people at SSUSA!!! I am beyond disappointed with the actions and planning with this association. You have inconvenienced many players trying to drag this tournament along. It is an absolute disgrace and you people should be ashamed!! Oh the best part we were told 1 pool game into single elimination bracket. Do we get half our money back for possibly playing half the games?? Lastly, please have the common decency to notify teams first thing in the AM if fields are u playable...
May 18
brhodes27

16 posts
Let's say this is going to happen.... its 850.... No info on where and when we play. Lets help the teams and get some actual info posted
May 18
Atefft
Men's 50
18 posts
Got a call we play at 8:00 AM at Potomac Lakes...ha ha

Sterling, VA Hourly Weather
9:18 pm EDT
Expect occasional rain to continue for the next several hours.

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May 19
r4pitch

93 posts
Very sad ...They make 3 team bracket stay 3 days in good weather..They have always run the torneys poorly..This year we are only playing 2 ssusa torneys..This (We bailed on thursday) and vegas..Vegas is the least favorite world..To small complex with the rock....They have never been a team friendly Group.This torney should never have been played. To do one bracket game to single elem is stealing.... Reid Miller Team usa
May 19
pnutbutter

2 posts
They still won't call it.4 hour dely.
May 19
DEJ13

18 posts
In all my years of softball I have never met a bigger bunch of inconsiderate people. To drag this tournament out is absolutely hysterical. I personally have not seen the fields however I will take a guess and say they can not be good let alone safe for play. For players to keep incurring travel costs is an ignorant mindset by SSUSA. If the tournament is cancelled we would not have to spend money on another night for hotel costs and salvage what is left back home with family.
May 19
Duffy7

6 posts
In All honesty do the right thing. Just cancel the 40’s and finish the rest of the other divisions. At least then the 40’s can at least save a little by cancelling Saturdays Rooms. Hate to say I told you so and stop blaming it on the Prks Department.
May 19
Duffy7

6 posts
You can’t finish a 3 day Tournament in 1 day. Should not make the out of State Teams Stay for this.
May 19
bucs15

25 posts
Add the 55s as not playing a single game.I've seen the fields and no way will they be playable tomorrow. Cancel the tournament and refund or credit the teams there money. I do have a question for SSUSA would you be liable for any injuries encored playing on a unfit field. Some will say just don't play but then you forfeit your entry fee.Jmo.
May 19
64stones

53 posts
I must say it was insane that this tournament wasn’t cancelled. We played 2- 5 inning games with a 40 min time limit in extremely poor weather and field conditions. The grounds crew did all they could but it was ridiculous. I personally saw 2 guys loose their hat while swinging, guys were slipping and falling all over. We all want to play, if we didn’t we still wouldn’t be at this age. But most of us have to go back to work and support our families and to risk injury in these playing conditions is crazy. Is the money made running this more important ?? When you start loosing teams willing to continue signing up for these tournaments will it be all worth it, Reputation is everything
Safe trip home to ALL,
May 19
Player

86 posts
This may not be the appropriate thread to pose a request for opinions and I don’t intend to “hijack” it, but it seems relevant to the discussion, as it deals with Loudoun and “rainouts.’ Dave will correct me if it isn’t. Situation: A four team bracket in which the four teams each played each other in the seeding games. One team went 3-0, while the other three went 1-2, respectively. Appropriately, in the bracket, the 3-0 team took the number 1 seed and played the number 4 seed (1-2), while the numbers 2 (1-2) and 3 (1-2) seeded teams played each other. No complaint at this point, as this has been the rule since we started softball so long ago. “The rest of the story.” Number 4 seed defeats the number 1 seed in the bracket (number 1 seed is now 3-1, number 4 seed is now 2-2 overall). Number 2 seed defeats the number 3 seed (number 2 seed is now 2-2, number 3 seed is now 1-3 overall). Number 2 seed defeats number 4 seed (number 2 seed is now 3-2, number 4 seed is now 2-3 overall). Number 1 seed defeats number 3 seed in the losers bracket (number 1 seed is now 4-1, number 3 seed is now 1-4 overall). All teams have played the requisite 5 games. Remainder of the tournament is cancelled because of rain. Final standings: number 2 seed, at 3-2, is declared the winner; number 4 seed, at 2-3, is declared the runner up, while; number 1 seed, at 4-1, is given third place. All is according to the proverbial “hoyle.” May I get some opinions about this. Nothing shady going on, but…. In a situation in which there are fewer than six teams, would it not be more relevant to have all the games count, as in a “round robin” formant? The number of games played would be the same – or less if no “if” game – so the cost to SSUSA would be unchanged. Opinions?
May 19
Joerb

6 posts
Saw a few teams bailing out at our hotel. Not sure who is the wiser, us for staying or them for not. I guess we will know tomorrow.
May 19
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
Player - IMO (and since I am sitting in a hotel hoping to play tomorrow), the final standings is correct. Seedings don't mean ANYTHING once the elim starts. You lost your first game which puts you in LB, you would have played the #4 again in LB Final, winner would have to beat #2 twice Since the #4 seed beat you in elim, they finish ahead of you, record would ONLY matter IF you didn't get to play ANY elim games, pretty simple actually!

Again, my opinion (which you asked for) :-)

Also, I think you should have started a new thread, ,this one is specifically for players who are not happy with what is CURRENTLY going on here (IMO)! LOL
May 19
r4pitch

93 posts
mc71 nailed it out of the park...Will any games be played today..
May 19
Cookie92

35 posts
So let’s summarize the weekend with facts:

a) the extended forecast called for rain on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, with some reports being up too 2 inches of rain throughout the weekend
b) On Friday, we made the field for game time at 9:30, four fields there, two of them were being worked on by the county department crew (the county crew did a tremendous job and made a great effort to get the two fields ready to play by putting bags, bags, bags, bags, bags of Diamond Tex? on the fields) they got two fields ready and those games started
c) Our field, I watched the crew put approximately 30 bags on the field and they got it ready to play. The pathways between first and second, second and third were soft…..the outfield had water everywhere….
d) we played two innings before it started raining again
e) the tournament director called us off the field in the fourth inning…
f) no games were played from on Friday from like 11:00 AM on
g) no games played on Saturday
h) SSUSA however, says they have a plan
i) everyone wastes their time and money at the hotel
j) then for Sunday, they want to probably go to single elim. I say single elimination because of the time
constraints but I haven't heard anything official yet.
k) SSUSA plan is for any teams that doesn't play three games, they are going to give you a $100 credit


From the very beginning of play starting on Thursday, this tournament was a complete and udder train wreck. SSUSA should have cancelled the tournament from the start but no they made the call from California. At least the tournament director did the right thing by calling the players off of the field on Friday. On Friday, with the field conditions and the forecast for the rest of the weekend, the tournament should have been cancelled. On Saturday, with no games played and the forecast, SSUSA should have cancelled the tournament but no, all the way from California, they had a plan to probably play a single elimination tournament on Sunday.

I personally spoke with about 25 players, some from Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, who felt that it was wrong for SSUSA not to cancel the tournament from the very beginning. SSUSA's complete dismissal of the facts, input from players and the forecast(s) tells me either that they are stupid or that they don’t care, perhaps both…SSUSA got their money but they lost a lot of respect from their customers this weekend..
May 19
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
Reid - I rec'd a call at 9am that the schedule was being pushed until tomorrow (after receiving a call from Don Brooks at 6:30am that our 10am was being pushed back and I would get another call by noon on the schedule). So communication from that stand point was very good. I will make one correction to Cookie in that SSUSA President Terry Hennessy is here so decisions are being made here (IMO) though the call I rec'd last night was from CA.

Our expected schedule is 1 play in to single elim (2 game guarantee). The question is, how many teams have dropped? Quite a few from what I understand and I have heard that we will get an updated schedule later today (5:30 is what I heard). We as a team voted to stay so I decided to drive and look at the fields, they are not in great shape so not sure how they will get them ready to play tomorrow am (no one has worked on the ones I drove to which was Potomac and same for Bolen which another teammate was already at). I have heard they are a very good crew, they will need to be! :-)

And of course to make things a little more complicated it was starting to rain a little again on the way back and forecast is calling for some more t-storms late tonight (maybe why they didn't try and work on them?). Not sure how they expect to get this in but we will be ready if they try and hope no one gets hurt if they decide to try and play it.

I used the "it is what it is" earlier in this thread because I truly believe you can't call tourneys based on the forecast (even if it proved correct), I can only hope that SSUSA does the right thing and not let us play if the fields are not safe (exactly what bucs15 said).

Good luck to all!

May 19
DEJ13

18 posts
So far I have made two predictions (the first before leaving NY and the 2nd last night) and both have been correct. I made a 3rd today which I will not share until tomorrow. Again SSUSA should be ashamed, which I know they are not and have proven this over the past two days. IMO this is no better than stealing. Yes you heard me correct SSUSA is stealing $535 from teams that have not played 1 single game. Teams who have traveled to Virginia, taken tome off from work and paid for hotels then deciding it was in the best interest of the team to return home after ZERO PROGRESS has been made in 3 days. Lastly, I am in absolute shock the SSUSA President is in Loudoun and can not see the amount of rain that has fallen let alone the field conditions.
May 19
nomar1fan
Men's 50
24 posts
mck71 i originally agreed with you too. But when they said they were pushing the entire 40 tourney to Sunday my team voted to go home. Financially we would be spending over 700.00 in rooms, plus food and drink and most importantly time. If fields are ready tomorrow have the age brackets that started finish. 40s should have been cancelled. 2 game min. for a TOC berth - not right. Tim has a tourney already scheduled for Sept. Have that be the TOC for 40s. Easy fix and plenty of time to make arrangements. The fact that they did not cancel it today was what changed "it is what it is." I wrote an email to George and would love to hear how he and SSUSA responds. If it is "our policy is to not refund teams that back out after the deadline" is what they are going to say - well that is disappointing. We were there - took off work and made a 6 hour drive. Hopefully someone will make this right.
May 20
troung1
Men's 60
7 posts
Well it is Sunday morning and after getting to the field, we find out that it is cancelled. At least nobody was hurt trying to play.
May 20
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
We were scheduled to play at Potomac, I rec'd a call at 7am that the field was unplayable and tourney was cancelled for us. Safe travels to all see you down the road, hopefully playing somewhere! :-)
May 20
DEJ13

18 posts
Now I can say my third prediction was correct. SSUSA has ZERO intent on playing games. They knew the fields were unplayable. They deliberately kept telling teams the tournament was still on to see how many teams would drop so they could keep entry fee money. NOW THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE CRIME!! SSUSA JUST STOLE A TON OF MONEY!! I am no lawyer but I sure hope a player is and can enlighten the rest of us to see if teams have any recourse against SSUSA for dragging this tournament on to STEAL $535 from teams who decided to drop out for all the right reasons. SSUSA will be getting a letter from me with a rental car, hotel bill and other associates expenses for this past weekend for reimbursement. These people that run this association need to see how much money WE as players spend. SSUSA you have disrespected the players and your leadership should definitely be questioned moving forward. Safe travels to the rest of the players in Loudoun!!
May 20
r4pitch

93 posts
Every team in that torney should get all money back.As i said before we only had 2 ssusa torneys in our plans.They just drag out 3 team 50 major + brackets for 3 days..Vegas is the worst world we play in every year....They should hang there heads in shame!!!! Reid Miller #4 team usa
May 20
Billymac33

1 posts
Kudos to Mike Santo of Promotion softball for getting us out of this train wreck.I know you can't control the weather but you can certainly look at the weather forecast and see what was coming for the next few days. In this era of weather forecasting, they are usually spot on. I look at the weather channel and it says rain starting at 845, I'll be damned if it doesn't start raining at 845. I know its a tough call because of the Chamber of Commerce, hotels, restaurants etc. I'm just glad we made that call to not go. I actually worked for four days, made some money and will be able to walk on MOnday morning without added pain . lol See you at the next one. Mac3b
May 20
Dbax
Men's 65
2111 posts
The right thing to do would be to apply your entry fee to a future tournament..
May 20
bernie
Men's 55
77 posts
I understand toe work and cost that goes into putting a tournament together like this ans of course Mother Nature didn't co-operate at all but the entrance fee should refunded or be applied somewhere else down the line at a minimum if SSUSA could secure another weekend during the year somewhere even if different age groups played different locations. You cannot penalize teams because the product promised was not provided in any form. Let's not forget the costs uncured by the players who ultimately pay their own way to attend. I am certain the SSUSA office will come up with a solution that rectifies this lost weekend. For the future, do something about your policy of cancellations as a number or teams and mamagers pleaded with you to do the right thing way BEFORE their predictions came true.
May 20
big unit

19 posts
first off there is not much I can say that hasn't been said already, we should have never been told to play on these fields in the condition that they were in but the ssusa director told us we would forfeit the game and go straight to the looser bracket, and as a result of us playing we had 2 guys get hurt 1 out for the rest of this year and the other out for a month or so ,we had to pull out of the tournament because of the injuries to our players. ssusa doesn't care about the players SAFETY at all,its all about the $$$$$$$$ to them !!!!!. this is ABSOLUTELY unacceptable !!!!! I can tell you one thing for sure if they don't give us a credit towards a future tournament we are not going to play in anymore of there tournaments !!!
May 20
AllTournyPit

18 posts
I'm just glad I cancelled my hotel room on Wednesday! I started to drive down there this morning but got the call it was cancelled. So I basically drove 3 hours round-trip, half way there, for nothing! It all goes back to my original discussion with DD from California. It should have been cancelled instead of teams having to pay for 2-3 nights of hotels and food. This ENTIRE thread wouldn't even exist if SSUSA did the RIGHT thing!
May 20
bugman25

9 posts
50 Major Results from Philip Bolen-

1) Straight Gas - Congrats

2) Walk Off

3) BH Maintenance

Major props for the field crews who made these fields playable.

As everyone else has stated, seems like greed was the big "winner" this wwekend...
May 21
bkb555

303 posts
this situation happened a few yrs ago with an October Tourney in Virginia beach....we never saw the fields and drove 12 hours and spent hundreds for hotel, travel and food PLUS registration fee of $500+.....we were told we would not get refunded our entry fee but after considerable arguing and correspondence, we got entry into next season's first SSUSA tourney in Virginia in April.....it was in 40's temperature-wise but we played at least and got some type of reimbursement.....weather is very tricky but there should be a system in place that can prevent long travel and expense if future forecasts don't look promising.....a refund or new entry into a tourney of choice should be the least of concessions offered to a team...we heard that the tourney was going to lose money on pre-made T-shirts with dates etc but there are ways around that next time, don't date your material.....otherwise, I hope we all learn something from this so it doesn't happen in the future...but it probably will...I don't envy their position
May 21
Garocket
Men's 55
259 posts
There is no way to make everyone happy I understand the aggrevation. But We had a tournament scheduled this weekend. Not a softball but a baseball. Which is affected more by rain than softball.
Weather predictions Friday 80% rain Saturday 80% rain Sunday 50% rain \prediction up to 3 inches ,all teams were calling and asking to call tournament off.

Friday no rain played Friday games, Saturday a little mist around 10am never stopped playing. Sunday sunny until 3:oo pm then had the 2 inches of rain that was predicted.
This just an example why Tournament directors can not go strickly by the weather prediction.
Had he cancelled and the weather had been good can you imagine how many people would be on the message board critizing. The tournament director is in a no win situation.
May 21
titanhd
Men's 60
641 posts

The other side of the story is that SSUSA is still respnsible for field rentals,travel,awards,some umpires travel,etc. So to expect 100% refund for something that they had no control over (RAIN) is really a bit unrealistic. A percentage of the "break even" may be a more doable ask for.
May 21
mck71
Men's 60
345 posts
titanhd - I completely understand your logic about expenses but just so I am clear, you are saying that if we didn't play 1 inning and were there for the whole tourney after being told that IF we leave we wouldn't get any refund (so we stayed) we don't deserve a full refund?
May 21
tattooball

774 posts
It's a business and the product is the game. You purchased a product that was not delivered.

If you bought softballs from our company and the container did not get delivered on time which is out of our control, we have no right to keep the money.

I know it is a tough situation on all sides and I'm sure the will be resolve to all of this, you just may have to be patient.
May 21
Duffy7

6 posts
I still don't believe they played. Look at the Pictures. Not 1 teams Uniforms have an ounce of dirt/mud on them. Was there a coin flip on who stayed? Were the pictures taken to avoid giving any money back? I'm sorry but with the way the fields were on Saturday basically under water no way anyone's uniforms would have been clean. Even guys in shorts dont have an ounce of dirt on their legs or cleats. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
May 21
bkb555

303 posts
i can't expect a refund of hotel, food, travel, rental cars, but i would expect a refund or transfer of registration to next optional tourney.....that is fair I believe to most.....the town got their hotels rented, their food eaten and some cars rented...the malls got business and probably some extra clothing was purchased so it would seem fair for a little bit compensation but only in the form of future tourneys entry fees
May 21
Dem2

4 posts
Duffy7 I went out to watch the games at Bolen and was thinking the conditions would be horrible, but after the first game or two the fields were actually in great conditions and they were dragging the fields in between some games, by the end you wouldn't have known that it rained all last week.
May 21
jarhead74

20 posts
I was told if you left the tourney you get nothing that was on Saturday. We play a 3 inning game on Friday till the DPW of LOUDON came and shut down the fields they said it was to dangerous to play, This was at Potomac lake complex. I was pitching my foot came out of my spikes because of the suction from all the mud I was ankle deep. Look this tournament should have been cancelled from the get go.We were told Friday a wash out be there at 8 am sat ready to play got a call at 6;30 am told pushed back 4 hrs.got another call at 8.00 am telling me that no games will be played on Saturday washed out told me to be ready at 8.00am sunday best of 3 with the only team in our bracket said are you sure it going to rain they told me we will get them in call sunday morning at 630 am from the director telling me tourney cancelled no games now we would have went home because we knew it was not going to happen no matter how much you wish it did.They could have save the players lots of money players could have saved vacation days for another tournament instead of wasting them sitting in a hotel. SO HERE IS MY QUESTION they said no refund after deadline I didn't receive the product I paid for so I should get a refund on the entry fees also the SSUSA WEBSITE READS UNDER TOURNAMENT FORMAT---- FIVE GAMES MINIMUM SCHEDULED WITH ROUND ROBIN INTO DOUBLE ELIMINATION OR ----THREE GAME [GUARANTEE] I HAVE NOT GOTTEN EITHER SO THEY DID NOT DELIVER
May 22
Cookie92

35 posts
Senior Softball-Usa Inc
2701 K St
Sacramento, CA 95816


Business Description

Senior Softball-Usa, which also operates under the name SENIOR SOFTBALL-USA NEWS, is located in Sacramento, California. This organization primarily operates in the Recreation Association business / industry within the Membership Organizations sector. This organization has been operating for approximately 29 years. Senior Softball-Usa is estimated to generate $1.7 million in annual revenues, and employs approximately 7 people at this single location.


**** With approximately $1.7 million in annual revenue, I think that they can take the hit for the expenses for a wasted weekend...
May 22
DaveDowell
Men's 70
4353 posts
Cookie92 ... Senior Softball-USA Inc was closed and merged into a successor entity in 2002 ... The offices also moved location a little over a year ago ... Here's much more current name/address data than from 2002:

Senior Softball World Championships, Inc.
9823 Old Winery Place - Suite 12
Sacramento, CA 95827

May 22
Cookie92

35 posts
SSUSA Policy....

Page 55 SSUSA Rules
10.1(2) Terminated Tournament
If terminated, refunds will be made at the discretion of the SSUSA executive board. In no event will refunds be made after 2 games have been played. There is no guarantee of any refund. Participants must realize that nobody can control weather or other Acts of God.

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Senior Softball-USA
Email: info@SeniorSoftball.com
Phone: (916) 326-5303
Fax: (916) 326-5304
9823 Old Winery Place, Suite 12
Sacramento, CA 95827
Senior Softball-USA is dedicated to informing and uniting the Senior Softball Players of America and the World. Senior Softball-USA sanctions tournaments and championships, registers players, writes the rulebook, publishes Senior Softball-USA News, hosts international softball tours and promotes Senior Softball throughout the world. More than 1.5 million men and women over 40 play Senior Softball in the United States today. »SSUSA History  »Privacy policy

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