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| July 26, 2017 Turbobob Men's 65 71 posts | Courtesy runners Is there any reason to impose a limit on the number of times a rostered player can be a courtesy runner in a game? I am fully aware of the rule stating that a CR cannot run more than once per inning. Based on the rules as is, the same rostered player can run as many as 7 times in a 7 inning game, but never more than once an inning. Any reasons to limiting the number of times per game to less than 7 total times in a 7 inning game? |
| July 26, 2017 Turbobob Men's 65 71 posts | To be a little clearer on this, I'm talking about the SAME rostered person being a CR once per inning, and for as many as 7 times in a 7 inning game. |
| July 26, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | turbo... im not quite sure what you are asking? |
| July 26, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | We're not sure, either! ... THINKING we understand the question, and that's a stretch, we can't think of any reason to limit that at all ... There was a team in the World Masters a few years ago that brought 10 batters and 10 CR's, and assigned CR-1 to run for Batter-1, and so on down through CR-10 and Batter-10 each and every time the specific batter got on base ... With the 5-run limit until the open inning, that probably didn't allow any of them to run seven times in a game ... But a LOT of teams have a designated substitute who serves only as the team's "rabbit" ... Assuming that SOMEONE gets on every inning, it's certainly possible he could run seven times in a full regulation game and it wouldn't be a rare occurrence in our experience ... |
| July 27, 2017 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | hey dave/staff......you also run for your at bats...plus run one time as a cr right.....techn'ly..he could run 10-12 times a game (per a 7 inning game) depending on how the team is doing at the plate.....also to me the ex you used is bs for a team to do....kind like someone who wants an offense side...and then a defensive side.....mmmmm |
| July 27, 2017 k man Men's 65 326 posts | Courtesy runner in the open inning question: Batter A reaches 1st base. Player B is his courtesy runner. Team bats around. Batter A reaches 1st base again. Is he entitled to use Player B again as his courtesy runner since he was his courtesy runner earlier in the same inning or must team use Player C so they haven't used the same runner twice in the same inning? |
| July 27, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | mad dog ... Very true ... COULD run more than seven in theory • k man ... Only get one time as a CR per inning ... If Batter-A gets on again and needs a runner, it has to be someone who hasn't yet run in the open inning ... |
| July 27, 2017 DMac Men's 60 207 posts | I have ran more than seven times in a game on many occasions. My first year in senior softball, I played at the Worlds for SoCal Gusto. In the 50AAA Championship game (where I first met Mad Dog), I was used only as a CR, ran seven times and scored seven times, which has to at least tie the record. I have been thrown out at all four bases in the same game on three different occasions which, unfortunately, might also be a record. |
| July 27, 2017 The Screamer5 Men's 60 69 posts | I know I'm in the minority with this opinion, but I would like to see runners running for themselves as much as possible...especially at the younger senior levels (40, 50, 55). I believe we overuse courtesy runners. Maybe I'm a "purest" but to me the game wasn't meant to be played with the best/faster runners on the bases whenever possible. Bad base runners and slower base runners are a part of the game we need to overcome as a team. I think I understand why we have CRs and its probably more to do about safety/health of our seniors. I just don't think the intent of the CR was to be used for someone who just didn't feel like running (like I see in so many instances.) I would like to see CR use be limited to once per inning. That would at least put some thought and strategy into it use. It would also speed up the game some. Just my opinion. |
| July 27, 2017 Turbobob Men's 65 71 posts | B.J. and SSUSA Staff, My intent in the posting is to see if there is any reason the SAME rostered player should have a limit imposed on him for the total number of times they courtesy run in a game. The once per inning limit is understood. I also understand the ruling for a CR being on base when it is his time to bat, that he is out, but still retain his at-bat. Hope that clears up any confusion. This whole situation came up in my league when someone said "We should limit the number of times the same courtesy runner is used in a full game". I asked why, and the answer was "it's not fair". That is why I posted this query. |
| July 27, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | Turbobob ... We don't disagree conceptually at all ... In fact, TheScreamer5 articulated quite well my (lukewarm) dismay with unlimited CR situations ... "Way back when", the CR was implemented to allow a player with some level of physical limitation to still participate by having someone run for him ... Over time, the CR has evolved to a "competitive and strategy device" that is deployed somewhat inconsistent with the CR's "health and welfare" origins ... [just my personal opinion] |
| July 27, 2017 B.J. 1105 posts | Turbo... we have 5 divisions of rec ball in our leagues and the top 2 divisions have changed the rule to a C/R can run twice a game and that could even be twice in the same inning...in cases of extra innings we allow 1 more time... we basically did it because of the summer Fla heat and humidity was wearing guys down that ran every inning, just because they were a little faster than the guy on base |
| July 28, 2017 stick8 1991 posts | K man the answer to your question as you put it would be player C or any other player who hasn't run for someone else or hasn't had a runner run for him. It doesn't matter how many times you bat thru the order. In extra innings the last batter who was up in the previous inning when the third out was recorded out starts the inning at second base and as I understand it, cannot get a courtesy runner. |
| July 28, 2017 Turbobob Men's 65 71 posts | From the feedback given, I do not see any reason to limit the number of times the same courtesy runner can run in a game, in my league. The Screamer5 does have a point about using the CR as an offensive advantage instead of a health/safety related intention. Specific to my league, we also use the CR from the plate, since almost 20% of our players have difficulty running to 1st base, but still able bodied to play a position and be in the game in a limited way. Thanks for the input and variety of situations presented. |
