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Discussion: Results of the SCSSA Beach Bash 17

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July 10, 2017
Marv19
Men's 60
498 posts
Results of the SCSSA Beach Bash 17
Picture perfect weekend in San Clemente California. Great weekend for Senior Softball. Here are the results of The Beach Bash 17. Special High Five to the two teams that traveled in from out of state. Southwest Bandits and Rezults Realty
Thanx Guys.

Wedge 1 Division:   SOMMERVILLE  Champs  -  ELITE  RU
Wedge 2 Division:   OG 50  Champs  -  L.A.F.  RU
Rincon Division:   ADVIL KNIGHTS  Champs - PONY EXPRESS   RU
Huntington Division: USED2BEE  Champs  -  REZULTS REALTY  RU
Trestles Division:   SOUTHWEST BANDITS  Champs  -  NIGHTHAWKS  RU
Malibu Division:   CAL SPIRIT Champs - LADIES CHOICE  RU
July 12, 2017
So Cal Z
Men's 50
40 posts
Who won the 55M division?
July 12, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
Sounds like a Great time Marv. Sure beats the heck out of our weekend. We, (The Core 55M) played in the SSUSA Southern California Championships event in Riverside. Weather was hot and humid, fields were terrible, worst BLD complex I have ever seen. The bright side was we won the tournament but then more bad news, SSUSA bumped us to Major Plus. Not sure if it was the fact we hit 4 home runs THE ENTIRE TOURNAMENT or that we lost one game 8-7 that was the deciding factor. Also worth noting was the two best 55 Major teams in So Cal didn’t attend. No, it’s SSUSA so we will never know for sure. Sad thing is that we had already entered Western Nationals and were planning on playing Rocky Mountain and The World Masters but not now. Why spend thousands of dollars to attend tournaments when you have absolutely no chance of competing. To get you’re a$$ handed to you by the likes of Sommerville? I think not.
This puts an end to a good team and leaves many of our players with no place to play. In hind sight I sure wish we had chosen to play in your Tournament and not supported SSUSA. Live and Learn.
Bert Cochran 44 The Core………….is No More
July 12, 2017
Benji4
247 posts
So I'm confused Bert.
Your team wins a tournament, gets bumped up and now that you are afraid to play better teams you disband?

Last I checked it's underhand pitching and any team can win on any day. Being afraid to lose to Sommerville just doesn't make sense to blame SSUSA.

Here's something. Find a way to compete at the major plus level by using work ethic, practice, team chemistry and a little luck.

Your reasoning is why the Major Plus level can't grow. So yes there is a place for your team to play, welcome to Major plus. Now go find a way to COMPETE....
July 13, 2017
ToddOZ
Men's 50
1 posts
The Core is a team that has competed at the major level with very solid defense, decent base hitting and good team chemistry. To understand that we absolutely do not compete at the major plus level is obvious to he most casual observer. You would agree with Bert and and I if you saw us play. It's not a matter of being afraid, (classic juvenile statement) but instead a matter of understanding where we belong, being part of a team with zero budget, composed of good AAA players and decent major players that maybe hit a couple bombs per game (last tourney hit 5 total in the tourney). I totally respect the ability and talent at the major plus level but unfortunately, thats not and never will be this team.

"Find a way to compete at the major plus level". Brilliant!

You know damn well that Summerville didn't come about from a decent major team with no power and zero budget that just worked harder to become a major plus team. We simply put a team together to compete at the Major level that has won a few tournaments because the 2 better teams in the division chose to to hide out and play the system. It is what it is but The Core being bumped up doesn't make the major plus division better. The Core doesn't have a single player that would be picked up by any current major plus teams......period. SSUSA is clueless. Best of luck!!

July 13, 2017
timmyb
27 posts
My team , had a losing record in usssla last year (2016) playing 50 major ,and only won 1 usssala tournament in all of 2016 . we won the smokies playing Issa aaa ,, with a 4 team tournament .
So , a losing record all of 2016 , we played excellent in Vegas and won our first and only tournament in usssla for 2016 , the worlds n Las Vegas . We got bumped to major plus for 2017 in spa , usssla and isssa . We have played in 6 tournaments so far this year , and have won a total of 2 games , all year . We have only played in 1 tournament with another major plus team and that was the smokies a few weeks ago . All other 5 tournies , we were the only major plus team .
We kept the same team and added 2 guys who never played senior ball . We' this year would be tough , but there has to be some basis to evaluate a team , after getting bumped , we are a small team that each player pays his own way to play , no sponsor at all .
We are not running from playing major plus , far from it , we committed to playing all of the same tournaments we did in 2016 with a losing record in major , as major plus .

Other teams we played last year and lost , finished in the top 5 n Vegas , broke up to not get bumped to major plus , we wanted to stay together , we also lost our only coach , and our short stop is our player coach , and doing a great job .

Sorry for ranting but what would be a compelling reason to appeal to major for us .

I'm not threatening we are breaking up , we do t want that either , but we had our asses handed to us Iin 2016 winning 2 tournaments all year , and a losing record . This year we have won a total of 2 games . sorry for the rant

FYI my name is tim and my team is gem city marchants
July 13, 2017
mck71
254 posts
I guess someone was listening to you timmyb, looks like you guys are playing as a 50M team in ISSA this weekend. Believe they had 3 50M teams and 2 of them dropped because maybe they didn't think they could compete against you guys? Good luck playing the 50AAA teams, should be interesting!
July 13, 2017
Benji4
247 posts
I guess I will never understand. Throughout life I was taught COMPETING was most important not winning.

Preparation, dedication, work ethic, experience, and practice led to eventual winning. Every team gets their asses handed to them at first then you make adjustments and find a way to compete. I always thought competing at the highest level was far more important than winning. After all only ONE team wins the tournament.

Just seems that disbanding because you have to play better competition is JUVENILE. (I will use your word).
So what if you lose. If you go out and COMPETE to the best of your abilities and strive to get better that should be the your motivation.

The new Gatorade slogan should sum it up: "Make defeat your fuel."

Is the T-shirt, hat or SSUSA backpack really that important?
July 13, 2017
timmyb
27 posts
I see what your saying , Ask the major and aaa teams we played in the other 5 tourneys ,this year , and did not win 1 game if we even remotely are drastically above them . It has nothing to do with not wanting to compete or play . We new going in to this year , it would be a challenge . It has everything to do with major and major plus teams being so close in ability and paring ( I do see a drop in aaa ) , you add giving 5 runs on top of it to the major teams , and play by their rules , it gets a little tough . I'm not saying we shouldn't play major plus , but name me another major or major plus team this year that has won zero games vs aaa and major , and inly 2 games all year in isssa , zero wins in spa or usssl . At no time did I say we were breaking up or not playing , we are committed to playing , I just see a lot of major teams playing year in and year out as low as they can

And again , playing major plus , in 5 spa and usssla tournaments , zero major plus teams playing other than us....
Timmy b
July 13, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
Benji,
At least we agree on one thing. You never will understand. You play on the a team that wins virtually every tournament it enters, have plenty of funding and when somebody's performance isn't up to snuff you simply replace him with a better or younger guy. We are a AAA team already playing up a division and we are not interested in replacing anyone to become a MAJOR PLUS TEAM. We are happy as we are, knowing that if we play well we can compete. That's all most teams want. Entering tournament after tournament after tournament to go 0-5 knowing not only can't you win but cannot even compete isn't that appealing to most. Also sucks knowing we can't chase the Triple Crown nor win Masters. SSUSA pretty much screwed our 2017 season.
Also if winning isn't important why do teams such as Sommerville move up to 55's? Why not stay in 50's and play the best such as your JK team instead of dominating in the 55's.
On another note, we aren't disbanding. We will play our 3 tournaments as a M+ team in order to get re-rated. As bad as it is going to be we want to play and as SSUSA has a Monopoly we have no other choice.
My hope is that one of the SSUSA has to sit and watch out games, which by the way hasn't happened yet, so they can see just how poorly their system of rating teams is.
July 13, 2017
softball4b
Men's 65
1148 posts
I have played on Sponsored teams with success, I have played on semi sponsored teams with success, I have played on non-sponsored teams with success. I have also played on the same teams with limited or no success. Once you are bumped, you either have success or you don't. Sometimes you revamp, sometimes you cut players to move down, sometimes you fold. If 2-3 core players do not want to compete at the next level the whole team suffers. Bert is a 60 year old playing 55M, IMO he does not care about who he plays, he competes.

It appears the root problem is being lost on the thread. The Core perceives rightly or wrongly, they were moved up while teams that were equal to or better were left as is. It has always been the case that if you do not want moved up, avoid certain tournaments. Nature of the beast.

I agree with Benji, play at the highest level you can because when you beat the Best you become the Best. Benji wants more/different teams to play, understood. When you are blessed to have a sponsor that contributes to or completely pays for your hobby then you are truly blessed. With that foundation, to cast aspersions toward those without that type of support is somewhat disingenuous because it is not coming from the same perspective. Don't get me wrong, I have played for fully sponsored teams and with that support you have tremendous pressure to produce, internally and externally. There are all kinds of islands on which we reside.

IMO - A team electing not to play going forward is extremely stressful and may even cause long standing rifts among players. Every player carries the M+ rating and not every player will find a team for the remainder of the year. The decision not to continue as a team is borne most by those on the team and their decision should be respected even if not shared.

Mike Adair
July 13, 2017
Mango
Men's 50
156 posts
FOFO,
I understand your frustration and disappointment. You will be going from the top of the pack to perhaps the middle of the next pack. I get how that feels psychologically. Not sure that it lessens the pain and frustration you're feeling but D&K Tradition also got bumped to Major plus (according to the new ratings online). D&K played very well last weekend (in the cool beach weather) and played our Sommerville team to a tie. They are a very good team. I dont know your team so I cant really comment on whether or not you are a Major Plus team. However the math says that if you can compete with them you can compete with other Major Plus teams.

That said, again I understand your frustration. You will be going from the top of the pack to perhaps the middle of the next pack. I get how that feels psychologically. However, I think you will find that the teams at the Major Plus level are not only good players but a good bunch of guys much like the ones you got to know at the Major level. They are playing for many of the same reasons as you guys(camaraderie, competition, exercise, fellowship, love of the game,sense of belonging etc).If you do play in Sacramento in a couple weeks Please introduce yourself and say hi.
Mango
#4
Sommerville Softball
July 13, 2017
Mulewhipper
Men's 55
128 posts
Mango/FOFO

I have learned a lot playing against Sommerville over the years, coaching, playing, performance. And although we haven't beat them yet, they have certainly gotten the best out of us each and every time we play them...and we always have have hope.
We are not discouraged about playing at the Major Plus level, the competition and camaraderie is amazing.

Us beating JK earlier this season in Las Vegas is proof, that if you play hard and get some good bounces, good things will happen.

Playing better teams has made us a better team.

Play hard and good things will happen...maybe not in the form of a victory, who knows what good will come from it.

Ron
July 13, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
Thanks Mango,
I have played against you guys and the other M+ teams in the past and have never had a problem with anyone. We are all out there to have a good time and I will continue to do so. We will give it our best shot and If we go to the middle of the pack in 55 M+ and not the cellar I would be ecstatic. We are trying to find enough guys to go to Western Nationals to get the clock started on our appeal. I won't make it due to work but look forward to meeting you at the next one.
Bert
July 13, 2017
Benji4
247 posts
Bert

Let me answer a few of your questions. JK 50's consists of 7 Sommerville guys. Five still play on the 55 team and the other 3 weren't old enough. So essentially JK and Sommerville are synonymous.

And the average age of the Sommerville 55 team is 59 years old. They currently do not have a player under the age of 56. Sommerville played in the 50 division for 10 years some of which the team name was Mavericks and most players could have moved up to 55.

So the age of most guys weighed in their decision to move to 55 major plus.

There will never be a Sommerville vs JK game because neither team would have enough starters to play.

Good luck to you new major plus team.
July 14, 2017
Dbax
Men's 65
1981 posts
I'm assuming Rawlings is not playing these tournaments to avoid getting bumped up.
July 14, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
That's what we are thinking Dave. They played Vegas and won it and now they are laying low. Surprised to see they are playing Sacramento. Be interesting to see what happens if they win and get bumped. Who plays the National Championship game?

Thanks for the info Benji although I'm aware of most of it. Our average age is around 59 and good luck to you and JK. Hopefully we get a chance to play against you guys. The Core always wants to play the best.
July 14, 2017
So Cal Z
Men's 50
40 posts
They are not playing Sacramento, to many guys couldn't make that date. I think a question to ask is, how did these two teams get bumped and you had a team last season win (5) tournaments in one division and (2) in another division and NOT get bumped until the following season?
July 14, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
I am not surprised Rawlings isn't going. After seeing The Core and D&K, two teams they have handled this season get bumped they probably decided it wasn't worth the risk. They will just stay and play SCSSA and they show up in Vegas for The Masters as a Major team. Smart move IMO. Why risk it.
No clue as to why some teams get bumped and others don't Z. It';s a mystery.
July 14, 2017
AZ29
6 posts
Bert, I don't see Rawlings listed in the Sacramento Tourney. But as an outside observer I would disagree that Rawlings is "layng low". From what I can see they played in the the San Clemente tournament because that is where the BEST teams were playing. You only get better by playing the best right? I commend The Core in sticking together and playing at the MP level.
July 14, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
They were there yesterday. At this point makes no difference. I'm only worried about The Core. Hope Rawlings or another west coast team wins Masters.
July 14, 2017
HAT MAN
Men's 40
223 posts
Benji

Quit telling stories....everyone knows what you last posted isn't true.
If the average age of sommerville 55 is 59 years old then how can 5 guys under 55 play on a 50s team. Even if you had a 25 man roster and 20 were 59 and 5 were 54 you are still averaging 58 years old.

I expect better from you in the future. TELL THE TRUTH see you soon
buddy

Let me answer a few of your questions. JK 50's consists of 7 Sommerville guys. Five still play on the 55 team and the other 3 weren't old enough. So essentially JK and Sommerville are synonymous.

And the average age of the Sommerville 55 team is 59 years old. They currently do not have a player under the age of 56. Sommerville played in the 50 division for 10 years some of which the team name was Mavericks and most players could have moved up to 55.
July 14, 2017
Benji4
247 posts
Vincent.

That info came from the Sommerville manager. The 4 Sommerville guys that play 50's for JK are ages, 60, 57, 57, and one soon to be 57.

I don't think anyone on Sommerville 55 is under the age of 57.

By the way I am available to play 40's in Vegas your team should pick me up...
July 15, 2017
softball4b
Men's 65
1148 posts
What do you expect from Meggison, he went to public school in California. Now if he graduated from school in Arkansas, you know you can tell how old someone is by how many teeth they have. You can't count dentures, that is usually just genetics. Wait that means you can't tell how old anyone is from Arkansas because we are all related. I am 29ish or 40rd, let me ask my cousin wife.
July 17, 2017
So Cal Z
Men's 50
40 posts
FOFO just to clarify, I think its a bit of a stretch to say we handled Core and D&K this year seeing as we have only played both of you one time. Both games were played in Vegas and scores were Rawlings 21 The Core 19, and Rawlings 10 and D&K 4. Your right, it doesn't matter now but Rawlings never had Sacramento on their schedule as we had 4 or 5 players not able to make that weekend. Something worth mentioning, since Vegas we have lost 2 of our 3 chips one to another team and one to injury.
July 17, 2017
FOFO
Men's 55
264 posts
Z, First let me apologize for even bringing up your team in the 1st place as you had no bearing on the topic. Just one more example of why you should never post when you are angry.
As for you beating us it was actually twice. You put a beat down on us in Bullhead although I don't think either of us had our full teams there.
IMO you guys were the best team we faced all season followed by D&K. We were looking forward to another shot at you guys but I suppose now that's not going to happen. If it does we will have to spot you runs. Classic.
Hopefully you guys can get healthy and fill your 2 chip slots because if you do you are legitimate contenders to win the Masters.
July 17, 2017
So Cal Z
Men's 50
40 posts
No reason to apologize, I get it :). When I brought up the one game I was talking about playing SSUSA as its my understanding those are the tournaments they judge us on. Hopefully everything works out for you guys, you have a good group of guys you play with.....
Aug. 31, 2017
Dbax
Men's 65
1981 posts
So how did The Core get rerated back to Major so quickly?
Sept. 3, 2017
gott2play
Men's 60
211 posts
Good question Dave. The same could be said about D&K Tradition as they've retracted to Major as well.
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