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| April 26, 2017 curty Men's 60 187 posts | home advantage wondering why: when 60M plays 55AAA they play even EXCEPT on home run rule, AAA getting 3 & out, M getting 6. In the above scenario, the M team is handicapped to the lower division rule. Shouldn't this be an automatic home team (60M) as they are giving something up? I realize that both carry the same point rating, but it seems to me that any handicap to either team was the basis for the automatic home team rule to start with. Any thoughts?? |
| April 26, 2017 Vance+50 Men's 60 66 posts | So are you saying that when a 60M plays a 55AAA, the 55AAA gets 3 and out and the Major gets 6 and out in the same game? That doesn't sound like a plan I would sign up for if I was the AAA team. Is this really how SSUSA does it? |
| April 26, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | Vance ... Curty is referring to teams of an equal rating index, such as a 60-M and a 55-AAA (both R/I=6), playing each other without a stated runs or defensive player equalizer ... In that case, the game is always played under the rules package of the LOWER rated team, so it's the AAA HR rule of three for BOTH teams ... The higher rated team almost always asserts this is an "equalizer" that should result in them being designated the Home team ... It's not, but rather a limitation on the HR limit to keep the lower rated team competitive in the event that simply can't/don't hit HR's at the rate the upper rated team does ... We also go though a similar discussion when a 65's team plays a 70's team regarding the 70+ team playing an 11-Defensive-player alignment ... This is NOT an equalizer either, since every team is always entitled to play its native defensive alignment ... Hope this helps ... |
| April 26, 2017 k man Men's 65 326 posts | Staff, are you suggesting that the team giving the equalizer should not be the home team? but there should be a flip? |
| April 26, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | k man... NOPE ... We are stating that curty's hypothetical is NOT an equalizer situation, so YES, there should be a coin toss for the right to choose Home or Visitor ... |
| April 26, 2017 mad dog Men's 65 4191 posts | isn't the fact that the major team is held to only hitting the same number of hr's the equalizer here.......thats not straight up..the major team has to give up hitting half the hr's they are normally allowed to hit...... |
| April 26, 2017 Vance+50 Men's 60 66 posts | Thanks Staff, I was reading more into it than was there. |
| April 26, 2017 k man Men's 65 326 posts | This is not a complaint so please do not take it as such. Just a point of information. At the Tidewater Classic every game where there was an equalizer, the team giving the equalizer was the HOME team sans flip. It says so on the seedings games page. We were involved in 3 such games. 3 very exciting and 1 run games if I am not mistaken. Twice we were visitors and once we were home. And I don't think there was any dispute about who was home so we just played. |
| April 26, 2017 SSUSA Staff 3483 posts | k man ... We're on the same page here ... If there is an equalizer, the team GIVING it is the designated Home Team ... The distinction we (apparently poorly!) tried to make was to clarify that when two teams with an equal ratings index (i.e., 60-M and 55-AAA) are playing to the lesser rated team's HR limit, this is NOT an equalizer ... Therefore, any such game is a "coin toss" game ... |
| April 26, 2017 softball4b Men's 70 1248 posts | Staff, I disagree, anytime your team is limited to a lesser degree, HRs and or runs per inning) it is a defacto equalizer. Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, probably a duck. |
| April 26, 2017 Dbax Men's 65 2100 posts | Southwest Championships. Women's 50 Major playing 40 AAA. No equalizer, had to play them straight up. This is a 10 year difference! Reason given was that 40 is the next lower age group. This is something I think SSUSA needs to address at the next rules meeting. |
| April 26, 2017 TOMAR77 Men's 65 333 posts | Would like the Rules Committee to take another look at providing the Higher Rated Team automatic Home Team. There is a very good reason that Teams want to be Home Team,(not counting the Teams that want to be Visitors to have BA against a lower rated Team). There is a distinct ADVANTAGE, (can you hear me?)to being the Home Team. This change has lessen the intended purpose of trying to equalize the game and has penalized the lower rated Team. As I have suggested earlier if the purpose of giving the automatic Home Team Advantage to the Higher Rated Team is to help keep the games on time, I suggest you limit the scoring in the open inning to a 10 run lead. Let the coin flip allow the Managers to make the call not arbitrarily disadvantaging the lower rated Team. Tomar |
| April 27, 2017 curty Men's 60 187 posts | I believe the rule is fair, as far as advantage is concerned. My point is that giving up anything- even HR total, is a disadvantage. I strongly believe that the younger team already has an advantage- YOUTH (LOL.) While this may not be apparent in seeding play, it can be a decided difference on the final day, coming from the losers bracket. If 2 teams carry the same rating index and are therefore playing even, their native HR rule should stand. I would not consider this as unfair to the lower rated team as it only happens between age groups. My $.02! |
| April 27, 2017 mck71 Men's 60 344 posts | Question: if the team who is giving the equalizer is home every game BUT they are down by more than 10 going into the 7th inning, does the flip flop rule still apply? |
| April 27, 2017 DaveDowell Men's 70 4312 posts | YES ... The flip-flop rule alplies ANY time the Visitor is ahead by 10 or more runs going into the open inning ... |
| April 27, 2017 mck71 Men's 60 344 posts | Thx Dave. We missed that one last weekend, I guess I wasn't paying attn, it happens as we get older! LOL |
