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Discussion: Hall of Fame Points

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Oct. 5, 2016
Capt Kirk
541 posts
Hall of Fame Points
SSUSA: Pls clarify the Hall of Fame Points for (5) ATP and (1) MVP when a team wins a championship in Vegas. I checked the rule book in the Hall of Fame Section and I was unable to find any info on hall of fame points.
Thanks
Capt Kirk
Oct. 6, 2016
JBTexas
Men's 70
429 posts
Gary, those point total are for Major plus players only, they are reduced for the lower division you play in. Check SPA website for HOF rules.
Oct. 6, 2016
Capt Kirk
541 posts
JB, under 11.1 rule of the rule book talks to SSUSA Hall of Fame and 11.2 talks to the National Fame of Fame (SPA). No details are called out.
Our the Hall of Fame requirements the same for SPA and SSUSA?
Note:
The President of our league,Bill Altman, who started San Antonio Senior Softball League (SASSL), should be nominated in a category that is appropriate= for the Hall of Fame.
Oct. 6, 2016
JBTexas
Men's 70
429 posts
Gary, Bill fits a couple of areas and is well deserving, don't know if it is to late for this year. Will call Sacramento later today.
Oct. 6, 2016
softball4b
Men's 70
1207 posts
No on SPA and SSUSA being the same. Go to each web site for clarification.

Whatever points you think you may have; documentation is the key.

Keep detailed records and have the back up to support your position.

Mike Adair

Oct. 7, 2016
Capt Kirk
541 posts
Why doesn't the MVP of World Championship team accrue HOF Points? The MVP medal is given to all managers at the World Championship games in Vegas, you select one player from your team to receive the medal. I have given the MVP medal to players in the past, thinking those players would receive HOF points, but I understand from SSUSA that only ATP receive HOF points, not the MVP.
Capt Kirk
Note: In my opinion, If your team finishes 1-4 in the Vegas World Championship, the MVP selection should receive HOF points. Teams that finish 1-4 in the Vegas World Championship are awarded ATP's.
Oct. 7, 2016
softball4b
Men's 70
1207 posts
Depending on which HOF you are referring to:National Senior Softball HOF or the SSUSA HOF.

The MVP medals awarded by SSUSA at the World's are team MVPs not tournament MVPs. Every team gets one and I think those MVP recipients should be awarded points toward the SSHOF.

The NSSHOF rules were voted own by multiple associations. IMO since the LVVSA Worlds is no longer, those are NSSHOF points have gone by the wayside and have not been replaced by the system. I think SSUSA should request that the Spring Championships held in Las Vegas be allowed to award NSSHOF points to replace the lost opportunity for players to receive points.

I believe there are 5 opportunities on the East of the Mississippi, SPA, ISA, ISSA, NASCS, and ASA; West of Mississippi LVSSA, SSUSA, and Huntsman. There is no longer to receive points for LVSSA only the combined LVSSA/SSUSA Worlds.

In reality, some great teams with players will never be seen by the majority of the softball community. M+, M, and AAA players have the opportunity to earn HOF points. To be inclusive as possible, the NSSHOF should evaluate how it can better serve the overall softball community with the points opportunities.

Awarding SSUSA two opportunities to provide NSSHOF points could be viewed as a competitive advantage over other organizations with regards to tournament participation and therefore a marketing advantage. That could be true, but with the loss of the LVSSA points, I believe the overall community and especially the teams West of the MS would not benefit inordinately, but rather regain the opportunity lost.

Mike Adair
NSSHOF 2014
Oct. 7, 2016
16wood
Men's 65
77 posts
I cannot speak for the SSUSA HOF as I'm not sure what process they use for inductions.
The National Senior Softball HOF nomination info can be found at sshof.com
It's true that there are fewer 'HOF point' opportunities than before. In fact, I believe that NASCS is also defunct... or it's making a serious run at the elusive National Hide and Seek Championships which have been held at unknown locations for the past 4 years.
The fact that 3 of the remaining 4 HOF Point tourneys are east of the Mississippi is largely irrelevant. IMO, convenience isn't a primary element. Those events do not restrict the participation to teams east or west of the Continental Divide or the Mississippi River.
This should be a highly prestigious honor only given to the truly elite players.
Perhaps they should create more HOFs so the masses could be included... or have them in each region.
It is called the National Senior Softball Hall of Fame. for a reason.
Bob Woodroof
Oct. 7, 2016
SSUSA Staff
3335 posts
Capt. Kirk ... We sent you a private email reply within the last week on precisely this issue ... To our knowledge, MVP awards do not accrue NSSHoF eligibility points, and regardless of what we may or not believe to be appropriate, that's completely within the purview of the NSSHoF governing board ... The www.sshof.org web site has the complete eligibility criteria and the procedures required for nomination, certification of eligibility and subsequent vote of the membership to elect new members for induction ... Our advice remains unchanged: Please consult the NSSHoF's published documents or contact them directly by phone or email ... This is completely outside of SSUSA's authority, as it should be ... Good luck!

Oct. 10, 2016
Capt Kirk
541 posts
SSUSA Staff: Thanks, my original question per the private email was how many ATP players + MVP selection were awarded to a team winning the Vegas World Championship. Your response triggered the question on whether or not the MVP received points for the HOF, the answer is NO. I did review the HOF requirements called out on the SSHOF website. The player(s) path to be eligible to be nominated for the HOF:
Point System Nomination Path
Who is eligible?
All nominees must be a minimum of 60 years old, have participated a minimum of 10 years in senior softball, and may begin earning nomination points at age 50. The following are the identified
categories that are available for nominations:
Player
Players may earn the following points from playing in National or World Senior Tournaments.
Major Plus & Major Classification 1 st Team All Tournament 1 Point
AAA 1st Team All Tournament Point
A player must have a minimum of 8 total points to be considered for nomination. The player must provide booklets with the following information:
 Completed NSSHOF Application
 Picture of the nominee in uniform
 Pictures of all the All-World or All-American awards
 Newspaper Articles or written documents
 Letters of recommendation from former Managers, Players, Sponsors, or NSSHOF Members
Capt Kirk
Note: A little knowledge can be dangerous
Oct. 10, 2016
LP
317 posts
Capt. Kirk all your questions about points are mute for your team which I am also on. SSUSA as you can see in there rules for HOF are just for everyone AAA and up they don't care about the AA teams, oh they take there money , and the AA teams will get rooms and such for the big tournaments, but in ssusa, spa and the other organization AA teams do not rate as quality teams. But we are AAA team next year so maybe they will acknowledge us.
Oct. 10, 2016
16wood
Men's 65
77 posts
Those rules are from the National Senior Softball HOF Nomination page... not from SSUSA.
BW
Oct. 10, 2016
Capt Kirk
541 posts
To summarize: If you are a AA team and win a SSUSA tournament that awards (5) ATP's and a MVP medal, make sure that you reward (6) players, since AA players are not eligible to accrue HOF points.
Note; The MVP Player's Medal for players playing on a (AAA, Major< & Major Plus teams) is a team MVP recognition and is not eligible for HOF points.
Enough said, I am getting ready for the TOC.
Capt Kirk
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