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| April 17, 2016 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | why? Why does it seem that other organization (without going into details) seem to be able to post information on tournaments faster than SSUSA. They post the schedule earlier. They post on going results quickly. They even post pictures of team and players. They post full results in less than 2 days after tournament. How is possible they can and SSUSA can't. Just questions. Thank You |
| April 17, 2016 Lester 5 posts | Good Question! |
| April 17, 2016 LoopDaddy 12 posts | All associations are better than Florida Half Century. It is normal for them to take a month or more to post results. It's unbelievable. 150+ teams in 50's & 60's and they seem to be going backward relative to information and reporting. Don't feel alone grayhitter59. |
| April 17, 2016 DieselDan Men's 75 600 posts | When some of us were curious why it was taking so long to get the Phoenix results last year, a post from SSUSA mentioned they had the Feb. TOC to get scheduled. They seem not to have the staff numbers to cover all the tournaments, especially when they run close to each other. The budget they have to work with probably isn't large enough to add more paid staff. Some of these other "organizations" might not have many tournaments and the ones they do have might have weeks between them. The Huntsman Games has many volunteers to get the scores to one lady who enters the results that are posted via a company who they contract with each year. Don't know if SSUSA would allow interns to help at their HQ. |
| April 18, 2016 Benji4 Men's 55 289 posts | Grayhitter, I'm not part of the SSUSA staff but I'm going to answer your questions. #1. Post Schedule earlier: If you plan on playing the first game Friday morning and the last game Sunday night it doesn't matter when the schedule is posted. #2. Post ongoing results: If you are at the fields look at the big white board and you will see ongoing results. #3. Post pictures: If you want pictures of your team and players start your own team facebook page that way everyone in America can look at you and will know you were playing softball. #4. Post full results: If you stay at the fields for the entire tournament you will know the full results. After all you are there for softball all weekend. See answer to question #1 for help. #5. SSUSA can't: It's not that they can't but there are a lot of factors and work that goes into running a tournament. I'm sure many of you have never been a tournament director. I have heard every lame ass excuse for game times and field requests. My team can't play early, my team can't play late, my team can't play at 1PM cause 2 of my players are diabetic and have to eat right at 1PM. Every stupid excuse..... So hopefully now you have the answers to your questions. |
| April 18, 2016 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | Ben, good try. Some other thoughts. 1. If schedule is posted earlier, teams with late games may choose to save $$$ by driving the 1st day of the tourney saving 1 motel night. In many locations this saves a bunch. Late starting team members may also get to work an extra day, saving precious vacation days. Also, I prefer to stay somewhat near the venue I play at, need some lead time to secure room. This is crucial in places like Phoenix where it seems like a 1/2 days drive in the horrendous traffic. 2. You are assuming we are at the tourney we are looking up results for! Some of us watch competition nationally. Some up us track our friends and old teams after we age up. Other interest in teams we may be interested in playing for in the future. 3. No comment, don't understand photo posting........ 4.Once again you assume we are attending. Need scores to monitor teams quality of play. 5. Gary asked simple question (legit question from a paying member in good standing), if others can post earlier, why can't SSUSA? A tournament director has the same factors and the same work load in either Assoc. sanctioned tournament, but others seem to post much earlier. Why? In this age of electronics, no excuse for not posting results immediately after tournament completion. A photo of the bracket would work. |
| April 18, 2016 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | Oooops, typo! Gray, not Gary in 5. |
| April 18, 2016 Benji4 Men's 55 289 posts | Curveball. I get the cost savings and saving vacation days on driving the same day. Guess those days are over for me. Like to get there the day before. just moved from Phoenix, traffic isn't that bad and use the WAZE app and you will save time. If you are following your friends send them a text message to see how they are doing. Glad you agree on photo posting.......... I get Grayhitter asked a simple question. My point is as a director there are several factors people don't understand. Dave said they put the wrong date for entries. Honest mistake, And Dave said he got bombarded with entries on the last day and truth be told I'll bet there were teams who missed the deadline and still wanted in. Being a director is a pain in the ass cause everyone wants preferred attention and they want it NOW. If you follow some of my suggestions things would be easier. Find a solution instead of complaining and complaining in a question form is still complaining. And finally I would tell people go run a tournament. Afterwards you will say, "Screw that, I'm never doing that again." |
| April 19, 2016 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | Mr. Curveball, I have run tournaments in the past. Before the age of technology, so don't tell me how hard it is. As for deadline, if you set it make it so. We as players would like and expect to be able to attend tournaments that are managed as best as possible, specially after paying the large sums that all senior tournaments cost, along with the simple prize packages ( look at a young buck tournament and see what I am talking about). All I asked was, a timely manner for gametes and results to be announced and posted. As for the pictures, now that you ask. I can go to the ISSA/ISF webpage and see, not only teams that won, but players who won MVP and action pictures of tournament play. Just a nice way for reconition on there part. And they do it over night, with same amount of teams. With all the funding that SSUSA has, maybe they need a better webpage manager so they can simply access and post information in a timely manner.. And thanks BenJI4. |
| April 19, 2016 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | Sorry Mr. Curveball, I meant Benji4, Thank you Curveball for your input. |
| April 19, 2016 Benji4 Men's 55 289 posts | Grayhitter I get it now. Basically you want SSUSA staff to come on this post and either apologize to you for not getting things done under your timely guidelines or you want them to make excuses why they can't get things done according to your standards so you can bash them. I guess recognition photos aren't that important to me so I don't get that. The only important thing to me is a TEAM WIN. I'm sure there are several reasons SSUSA does what they do. I'm not on staff but here's how I see it. 1. You can not play SSUSA events. 2. You can play ISSA/ISF and young buck tournies because they meet your standards 3. You can start your own organization and do all the things you are complaining about. Not trying to be a dick but I think SSUSA does a pretty good job, and it's impossible to make everyone happy. |
| April 19, 2016 WizKid 7 posts | Last September I created a user name for the message board for the sole purpose of posting about the late/incomplete tournament results even weeks after the event has been played. It is fun for those of us who are across the country to follow all sessions in Las Vegas and other tournaments, as we all know players and teams involved and we can't always be at the games. One might think that SSUSA would encourage timely results, as it sparks continued interest in the sport and with many hits on their website they might even make more money on ads. From STAFF replies to myself and others, it is clear that "journalism" (their word for scores/results) is just not on the priority list of the people who run this organization. Period. There is no effort beyond telling us the many reasons why they can't do it. "Our focus is at the field and the players present, not those sitting at home. Then we have to get ready for... a)the next tournament b)Hall of Fame picks c)TOC" etc. etc. etc. Lots of reasons why it can't be done real time or in the hours after the event, but no effort to make it happen in even a half-baked way. And yet, as grayhitter59 has noted, other organizations with far fewer paid playing members or even those who run one-off entry fee only events have no problem posting results in real time and making everything available on-line, not just to those at the event who can find the brackets tacked on a wall. And wouldn't it be nice if every team did not have to come to the field after the seeding games for the official posting of the paper brackets? Post them on-line at a specified time, with 60 minutes to the first game, and some teams will have an extra hour or two to get to the fields for their first bracket games. For ongoing and final results, with the technology available today it takes all of 30 seconds to snap a picture of a bracket and send it to wherever you want to make it available to whoever wants to see it. Maybe even a message board! For the major events, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE WHY RESULTS CAN'T BE POSTED IN REAL TIME AS THEY ARE POSTED AT THE FIELD. If it is still a matter of staffing, spend a few hundred dollars at the major events and hire local college interns to do nothing but post scores. (The excuse for that not happening has been that there is only one laptop computer with all of the brackets tied to a home-grown program with only two known copies, so it would be impossible to let somebody else touch it. God forbid the holder of that laptop should be hit by a bus in Vegas! I don't know a single college kid without a phone far nicer than mine, and they are REALLY good at sending messages/pictures of all kinds with amazing speed.) I know that there are very dedicated individuals involved in allowing grown men and women to play a kids'game, and there is an awful lot that happens behind the scenes to make things run as seamlessly as possible. Having said that, the ongoing lack of interest in communicating tournament results in a timely manner to paying members and the myriad excuses as to why it can't be done projects the image of a two-bit, backroom Ma and Pa organization with a rotor on the telephone. Posting of results in real time or shortly thereafter is not an unreasonable request for 2016. We deserve better. I am not looking for a defense of SSUSA from STAFF or self-appointed backers, and this is not in any way meant to be personal. SSUSA wants to be recognized as a first class operation. The paying members have a very strong interest in seeing almost instant results, and to follow many teams and brackets it is most efficient for SSUSA to provide that information as they already have it. There are simply no valid excuses as to why things can't be changed. Previous post last year: , Sept. 29, 2015 WizKid Topic: Website comments Discussion: Posting Big Tournament Scores in a Timely Manner I would wager that all of us on this board know a number of teams and players participating in the Las Vegas two week extravaganza currently being played. In today's world of instant media updates, video uploads etc. there is no excuse for not updating tournament bracket scores on at least a nightly basis. From another thread: grd8sbnut • 55-Major+, 55-Major and 60-Major+ are posted up to Sunday mid-afternoon ... Please keep in mind that our sole focus is on the tourney administration for the teams and players that are here ... That's the #1 priority, and will be for the next eight days ... Journalism is way farther down the totem pole! ... It's below tomorrow's Hall of Fame inductions (9) and completion of the 3rd Session brackets ... Thanks! In the time it took this individual to post a message he could have actually put in the finals winners of the three brackets noted above. Somebody was able to put in almost all of the scores from seeding rounds up until the last few games for them. Why not finish the job? And does this imply that other age groups and classes are less important to whoever did the partial update? If the staff at the event does not have the time, or as stated above considers it a low priority item, hire an intern for $20 an hour and get it done. This can be accomplished on-site or by easily communicating the scores to the home office or to anywhere in the country. Take a picture of the on-site filled in brackets with your phone and send it to the person who can then update on the site. Or just post a completed bracket picture for the rest of us. Done! Contrary to the poster above, this is not "journalism"; it is a simple communications issue that can be easily solved with minimal time and effort. For any that live in a larger metro area, at this time of year there are likely over a hundred high school football games taking place simultaneously, obviously all at different locations, and mostly on Friday nights. And yet, even the local papers with limited staff have ALL of the scores in the paper the next morning, along with stories on key games. Apparently they do feel it is a priority for THEIR readers. Perhaps it even helps their circulation and on-line hits, better selling advertising that pays the bills. There may be a lesson in that! |
| April 19, 2016 Sparky.1 Men's 75 284 posts | Careful WizKid.......I attempted to bring up a similar subject and Dave proceeded to give me a new nickname "the Rattlesnake" (just for Dave) [grins] |
| April 19, 2016 PoollShark Men's 50 90 posts | I have to agree that this is something that should already be in place. That being said I believe there are some very simple solutions available. I follow SSUSA On Facebook and Twitter. I thought they were stepping up their game in February during the TOC in Florida with all the updates they were posting . It ended up being inconsistent and incomplete but I did enjoy seeing what they posted. I think this gives us a very simple solution to this problem. My suggestion is, at each tournament, before putting the brackets away at the end of the day simply take a picture of each one and post it to social media. This would increase SSUSA's exposure on social media tenfold as well as satisfying everyone's need for instant updates. Sounds like a win-win to me. |
| April 19, 2016 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | To MR.Benji4 you may not be trying, but you accomplished your goal sir. I only was using examples so that we may have some input to the powers to be in this organization. Apparently you may be seeking employment with said organization. I sir am not. Bottom line is the webpage here is not keeping up with the times, posting of results should and can be done on a day to day bases or a timely manner. As for being a winner Mr.Benji4 I have won my fair share of tournaments and all tournament selection. I play to win everything and anything. As for picture taking I was just using that as an example of how current that webpage is kept, not perfect by no means but up to date. I don't want to get into a pissing war with you, so let's just leave it at that. But one last thing, if I could find away to make the kind of money that is being made on running these tournament, you could rest a sure that the webpage I would use would be state of the art. Mr.Benji4 I see you don't reveal your information on who you are sir. Why? Mine is posted for all to see. Wizkid very profesionaly stated and written. Maybe you can meet up with Benji4 and get him on the same page. LMAO!!!!! |
| April 19, 2016 Benji4 Men's 55 289 posts | Mr Grayhitter or whatever your real name is. I must have hurt your feelings. Not seeking employment just sticking up for a few I know in SSUSA. As for my information, didn't know I was suppose to post it nor do I know where too. Besides after 30 years of law Enforcement and a few death threats from gangbangers and drug cartel members I hardly doubt I'm going to post my address. BUT, obviously you don't live on the west coast because Benji is my name and I play for SOMMERVILLE. I'm sure that alone is grounds for others hating. And those that know me closely probably figured I was being dick, but I lied to not hurt your feelings. Guess I failed. Good luck to you and your team. Benji 5'11 200lbs, Blue, and gray MI Leadoff hitter Throw Right Bat right Play for Sommerville 50's major plus Dudley/Elite Calif 40's major plus There you have all my information and you can add smartass to your post too.... |
| April 20, 2016 grayhitter59 Men's 60 345 posts | Benji4, I guess you and I have a miss interpitation of what each of us was trying to accomplish, no hurt feelings on my part. Not trying to throw anyone at SSUSA under the bus, just trying to get them to have an informative webpage, that would keep us all informed on status of team we may face down the road. I am 6'2 230 lbs and play on both 50 and 55 teams. Hit 3, 4 or 5, throw right and hit righty.Team I play on Florida Automated and Team Impact. Wishing I lived in Cali, because I know your team, watch you all play in Tennesse last year and would have enjoyed playing for or against. Next time we are in the west coast or you guys are in the east will say hello. Take care and good luck with your season. Manny |
| April 20, 2016 VOODOOSPORTS Men's 40 34 posts | I call BS on both Benji4 and grayhitter I am bringing a scale this weekend to see if these weights are actually true!!!! On a side note my question is why if you get the same umps and use the same fields and often do not use lights, why are the entry fees 80% higher then USSSA ans ASA tournaments? All and all I do like SSUSA much better then dealing with today's youth. |
| April 21, 2016 Benji4 Men's 55 289 posts | Vinny bring me a cigar for Freemont St and I won't tell others on here your weight....hahaha |
| April 21, 2016 VOODOOSPORTS Men's 40 34 posts | I will bring you one from my collection not the crap out there and the weight is going down lol now 294 was 295 |
| April 21, 2016 taits Men's 65 4548 posts | I think some's nose is becoming brown. lol Perhaps they keed running over laptops... |
