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| April 13, 2016 SJV Men's 60 21 posts | Half Run Rule Recently played in a tournament in Bullhead. Visiting team was given a 1/2 run. This assured no tie games, thus no extra inning games. Tournament ran on time. Why is this rule not used in more tournaments ? What is the drawbacks ? |
| April 13, 2016 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | The only drawback I can think of is the visiting team wins when they don't deserve it. |
| April 13, 2016 PoollShark Men's 50 90 posts | Imagine losing the championship game of a tournament 19 1/2 - 19? Pretty big drawback to me. |
| April 13, 2016 SSUSA Staff 3491 posts | We've heard this proposal on a couple of occasions for tournament seeding/pool play ONLY, but never for bracket play ... The stated reason in support was to avoid ties in pool play, but the sense of the National Rules Committee was (and remains) that to adopt this would take away innings from the teams, and that is not a desirable result ... |
| April 14, 2016 KP&R 22 posts | It was my understanding that this rule was put in place because the BHC tournaments shared fields with Youth and Adult groups who had reservations at the end of each day. This rule ensured that there was never an extra inning game that screwed up the schedule. The teams LOVED the fact that there was no ambiguity as to when they would play. The 1/2 run option did add a new level of strategy to the coin toss...no longer did the winner of the toss simply chose HOME as a reflex... As to poolshark's point about losing by a half run? It is no different than losing the championship game by a full run. If it looks like you are going to come up short? KEEP HITTING THE BALL! The other aspect to consider here is that the Bullhead City Tournament were always for Recreation. There were no rings on the line, no equipment bundles up for grabs...I agree with SSUSA's comment that for Championship play, there is a potential to rob innings from teams, and nobody wants that. |
| April 14, 2016 KP&R 22 posts | Just curious SJV, what did you and your team think of this rule? Did it affect any of your games? |
| April 14, 2016 curveball Men's 65 705 posts | Another twist to the Bullhead 1/2 run rule, if you are a higher ranked team, giving 5 runs, there is NO choice at coin flip, you are home! |
| April 14, 2016 Dbax Men's 65 2101 posts | KP&R, I beg to differ that there is no difference in losing by 1/2 run or a full run. The 1/2 run is not earned by the visiting team. Huge difference. |
| April 14, 2016 SJV Men's 60 21 posts | KP&R 3 out of the five games we played the 1/2 run came into play. Won 2 lost 1 the championship game. Scored 3 runs in the bottom half of the open inning. We were down 3 1/2. Lost by 1/2 a run. Its a great way to keep a tournament on schedule. Nothing worse than showing up for your game and finding out the tournament is behind by 2 1/2 hours because of a tie game. No ones fault , but all you hear is the bitching and complaining. I think its a great rule. |
| April 14, 2016 stick8 1992 posts | Curveball, USSSA has kind of a similar rule in the conference, NIT's and qualifiers. Although it's not based on level as you reference, if you win the winners bracket you are automatically home team for the first game of the championship. It's referred to as "The Resmondo Rule". Resmondo would win the bracket and if they won the toss they'd take visitors and bat for an hour scoring 25 runs or so--putting the game out of reach in many cases. Gotta give the other teams a chance at competing with If it goes to the "if" game then their's a coin toss. |
| April 14, 2016 NYGNYY 215 posts | If time is the issue and extra innings is causing the headache. Change the rule for extra innings--leave in the last out at second and turn the extra innings into a one pitch at bat. One pitch would move the game along in a hurry and you would not be stuck with a 1/2 run rule. |
| April 14, 2016 PoollShark Men's 50 90 posts | KP&R, Losing by an earned run is a lot different than losing by an UNEARNED 1/2 run. I don't want to win or lose that way. |
| April 14, 2016 Slap hitter 28 posts | Hey Stick...I want your take on what happened in Lacey Wahington last weekend. We played against a "Premier" 55 major "PLUS" team ...and they took an extra player! Would you boys ever do that? Aren't all these giving players and runs for the "NON" PLUS teams? |
| April 14, 2016 Jawood Men's 50 943 posts | There were 24 teams in that Lacey tournament with 15 different age/classification groups. This was just a pre-season event getting some games in but there are just too many different playing groups (and rules) overall. |
| April 14, 2016 Duke Men's 65 908 posts | I am not in favor of this rule. There are enough odd rules already in senior softball, and this would just be another. JMHO, Andy Smith, 65 Major |
| April 16, 2016 stick8 1992 posts | Slap hitter, can you provide more details on that? Was this a 55 major plus team playing against a 50 major plus team? |
| April 16, 2016 Slap hitter 28 posts | Hey Stick...of course it was a 55 Major Plus against a bumped 50 Major Plus...I'm not suggesting they cheated...My question is more about pride. Our 55 Major plus plays against 40 Major Plus and take nothing. When you win it means something! So my question to you was, do your OKI boys take players? |
| April 16, 2016 Mango Men's 50 159 posts | There’s actually a good question in here. I’m just wondering do players that take equalizers feel that they have ”won” a game when they take runs or an extra fielder? Just wondering. Maybe some of those guys that do it can comment. |
| April 16, 2016 Benji4 Men's 55 289 posts | So I'm guessing guys that agree with this are the same guys who expect a participation trophy just for playing. Whatever happened to earning things in life. Nothing should be free, earn it. |
| April 16, 2016 stick8 1992 posts | Slap hitter, as an aside, OKI was never in that position. To answer your question, I can't speak for our manager but in the years I played with OKI I cannot conceive of any circumstance where that team would take an extra fielder (or runs). Personally I'm not into the entitlement mentality. Question: In SSUSA if your playing against a lower level team by rule don't they have to take one of the equalizers or is it optional? |
| April 17, 2016 Slap hitter 28 posts | Like I thought stick, I wouldn't think the OKI boys would take a player...but I wouldn't have thought these guys would have either. They are also talented Major + players and good guys. In the heat of the moment, I kinda let a couple know how I felt. Maybe I shouldn't have, but for cryin out loud...we are not playing co-ed. I must say, I guess if I was playing for my house or the life of a loved one...I would take every legal, "new rules advantage". But, since that will never happen thankfully...I will quit the game if I get to the point where I need players or runs. Especially for a T-shirt. I hear talk about we all get nicer in our older age...hopefully true...I think that's true...it should be true...but does PRIDE have to go with it? How could I go home and tell people, "We won the tourney" & "we beat a PLUS team" BUT I don't tell them, "but we had an extra guy on defense". I would be embarrassed if they asked why did they have an extra guy? Well their better than us. Maybe so...but ain't going to say it or believe it! The last several years, softball looks LESS like softball of old. First, home runs LIMITED. Next, runs LIMITED. Next, let's GIVE runs. Oh, let's GIVE players. Well, that doesn't work, let's GIVE runs & players. What's next? You have to hit opposite. You only get one strike. I better stop giving ideas. So Stick...The rules are fine...I get why the Dave Dowells of the world have to implement these new rules with ALL the different levels, but, taking runs or players ARE OPTIONAL! And IMHO...shouldn't be taken by PLUS players of ANY level. All the other home run & runs per innings limitations, should be enough PLUS against PLUS. I know I went long here, it wasn't my intension...it just came spewing out |
| April 18, 2016 stick8 1992 posts | I agree wholeheartedly 100% slap hitter. To answer your question of what's next, how about a lower team getting 4 outs an inning? I suspect at some point if it hasn't been brought up, it will be.... you never know what's upcoming. |
| Sept. 6, 2016 Slap hitter 28 posts | Want to give props and a shout out of RESPECT to the Washington Legends 50 "Major" team for playing the game the way it was intended to be played this past weekend...With NO extra player & NO extra runs! It was nice hitting and looking out on the field where it looked like a softball team of 10 rather than a Cricket team of 11... You have a good squad and I wish you the best in Vegas! Hope your shortstop wasn't seriously injured and able to play in a few weeks. |
