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| Dec. 16, 2015 BobbyShea 13 posts | Appeal process Your appeal process appears to be a "Major" waste of time. Does it seem right that a team (Genesee Rochester) who hasn't won an SSUSA tournament since winning the 2011 Worlds in Phoenix has been moved up to Major Plus? I really don't care that your form-letter response said the +5/-5 rule differential was the reason we have to play at 55 Major Plus. Let us win a tournament first, and then I would have no problem playing at that level, just like we did in 2012 when we earned the automatic move to the next level. It also states we could re-apply after 3 tournaments and basically paying a total of $1800. No thanks! |
| Dec. 17, 2015 jsheeran Men's 50 60 posts | I feel your pain Bobby. |
| Dec. 17, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | It doesn't appear that your team every went up and played in Major Plus when you were bumped in the 50's. Viewing it from 10,000 feet, it appears that you just sat out playing 50 Major Plus and now want to play 55 Major. Past history shows your team did played pretty good in the Northeast tournaments and else where when you played, shoot you actually won 50 Major Worlds in 2011 and never appeared in one 50 Major Plus World. 2012 50 Major Plus no show 2013 50 Major Plus no show 2014 50 Major Plus no show 2015 50 Major Plus no show 2016 wants to play 55 Major ? (Really) JMHO |
| Dec. 17, 2015 doc25 10 posts | I know they played 55 Major in 2014 and 2015 and were a very good team but I am pretty sure they finished second or third several times but not first.I been playing against these guys since atleast 2010 and was also in Phoenix in 2011 when they won the 50 Major worlds and watched several of there Sunday games and they played great.In 2012 they played 50 Major+ in a few East Coast Tournaments and I believe sometime in 2013 they were dropped to 50 Major again.Unless they have added guys and have more than 3 players who are rated Major+ its ashame they are getting moved up because there are not many 55 major+ teams in Northeast or Mid Atlantic. |
| Dec. 17, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | They won Worlds in 2011 and never played up to get reviewed to be re classified? The process is the same for every team no matter where you live, east coast, west coast the south is doesn't matter you need to play up to be reviewed and re classed. You can just re appear 3 or 4 years later and asked to re classed. JMHO |
| Dec. 18, 2015 BobbyShea 13 posts | SSUSA reclassified our team back to 50-major based on performance, even though we din not play worlds in 2012. We did not EARN the right to move up to 55-Major Plus, someone in SSUSA decided we should play at that level. Our goal is to compete for a world title again with our original Rochester roster at the major level. Now if we had the desire to use the new New York state boundaries and add the New England major plus players, and also add Canada, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey players too, then our goal would be to "LOAD UP" and go to Vegas at the Major Plus level and kick some butt. That is not what we have in mind, we just wanted to compete with our local guys and do it at the level we played the past few years. Let us win something to EARN our promotion. |
| Dec. 18, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | I understand what you are saying, but this happens to plenty of other teams across the nation. Just look at all the teams that were just re classed for finishing in the t in top 3 and some for just finishing in the top 6. You have already won one worlds and for some reason believe you should be allowed to when a second one. You were bumped for a reason and appears you never truly played up to be reviewed for reclassification. When was the last worlds you attended and what level? I think your past tournament history justifies where you should be ranked please let us know. |
| Dec. 18, 2015 missouridave Men's 60 166 posts | Bobby, I understand your position. However the goal of putting teams in various categories is to have reasonably fair competition. You seem to think that just because you have not finished first in a given category that you should not be at the next level. My team just ended up second in Vegas. The games were all close. We did not win but because we took second we have been bumped up to the next level. We will go compete at the next level this year and be delighted to do so. As long as we are competitive we will continue to play at that level. Why do you think that you must win a tournament before you get bumped? If you are beating most of the teams in a classification by a lot of runs and are placing high in all of the tournaments why should you not be bumped to the next level? Sincerely trying to understand why you would not want to compete at the next level. Good luck in 2016. Missouri Dave |
| Dec. 18, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | Bobby Shea, SSUSA rule is you must hold your classification for 2 years or play in at least 3 SSUSA events and then petition to be re classed which appears you never did. If a team is ranked 50 Major Plus they can't just sit out for 4 or 5 years and expect to re classed 55 Major. If a team is intact with it's complete roster in 50 Major Plus they would be classified 55 Major Plus when they move up. Once again it appears you won 50 Major and didn't want to play 50 Major Plus and now that you are a 55 team you should be allowed to re classed to Major. Really, please explain to all of us if I am missing something, I apologize if I am incorrect with my observation. Good Luck in 2016 we need more Major Plus teams in SSUSA. |
| Dec. 19, 2015 jrhunch 113 posts | bobby if i am reading this right you were reclassified from 50 major plus to 50 major.so how did you get classified 55 major plus or am i missing something? |
| Dec. 19, 2015 Allan55 102 posts | Bobby Shea, My 50 major team finished third in the 50 major Worlds and was bumped to 50 major plus. When a group of 50 major plus players, I was playing with, moved to 55's, we were placed in 55 major plus. We did not win anything and were moved up. Why shouldn't you be playing 55 major plus? I don't think you deserve to be treated any differently. |
| Dec. 19, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | It doesn't appear that you were re classed to 50 Major and never went up to play 50 Major Plus. They just sat out 4 to 5 years and believe that they should be re classed to play the same guys they beat in 2011 Majors. Please play in 3 tournament and appeal, just like every other team in the nation. How does anyone know if you didn't pickup a few new Major Plus players. |
| Dec. 20, 2015 nicki50 2 posts | Lee, we were classified as 50 Major Plus in 2012. Played in the Atlantic Coasts Championships and Northeast Championships and got our butts kicked in 10 straight games. So to say we never moved up is wrong. Would you pay $1000 per man to travel to worlds from the Northeast at the Major Plus level after experiencing what we did in the previous tournaments. I think not. SSUSA's reasoning for moving us to 55 Major Plus is not justified and that's the bottom line. |
| Dec. 20, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | Sorry to hear that, but I have to ask why you didn't play a third event and then apply to re classified ? At this time you just sat out 4 years and believe that is justification to be re classed. Are we all to assume that none of your players played in any SSUSA tournaments in the past 4 years? Or do you guys just want to put your team back together to try and win 55 Majors in Worlds. Once again you guys have already won Worlds in the Major division and for some reason believe you should be given a chance to win a seconded one. You would think a team that a team that went in 2011 Worlds 1-1 in seeding games and 6-0 in the bracket games in a 36 team tournament and averaging 27.83 runs per game (bracket games), should be able to compete in Major Plus the following year. Oh by the way many of the teams you beat are and having been playing Major Plus for the past 4 years. MN Merchants just finished 3rd in 2015 Major Plus Worlds. Oh yeah I forgot you played 2 tournaments and lost 10 games. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE |
| Dec. 20, 2015 nicki50 2 posts | There's more to it then just that. I believe we did play in a 3rd tournament but I can't remember which one. The 50's team did play in the Major worlds in 2013 and 2014. This after we were reclassified back. 2013 we finished middle of the pack. 2014 I believe we were 6th. This all started with the 50's team this year. Mid way thru the year they moved them up to 50 Major Plus. They played in Atlantic coasts Championship and in Maryland. I played with them as a fillin. After those tournaments they were moved up. After coming in 3rd in both(note: Not that many teams in either tournament). The teams that beat them didn't get moved up. That right there tells you there is something wrong with the system. Our 55 team will be some of those players, yes, but being moved up to Major Plus before we can prove ourselves is not right. I'm i considered a Major Plus player because I was there courtesy runner for those weekend's. Our 55 team is all from the same area. We use various ages from our area to fill our roster's when ever we go away just to allow for injuries, etc. Example above, me helping the 50's in there 2 tourney's. Our 55 team played in the Atlantic Coast as a Major this year(3 Major teams 2nd place) and in Ft Myers as 55 Major Plus but played down at the 50 Major level as a favor to SSUSA to even out the brackets. I think we went 3 and 3 all close games. The additions we will make this year won't make us a Major Plus. I can keep going with examples but it's just not worth the time i would spend. I just don't see the justification in moving the 55 team up without a good reason. We should be allowed to prove ourselves then move us if warranted. Done, over and out. Time to move on. |
| Dec. 20, 2015 LeeLee50 140 posts | I would guess it has something to do with your past 50 roster which would be the one petition to be re classed to 55 Majors. That roster is classified as a 55 Major Plus due to the win in 2011 and the non reclassification process for the roster, which is required by every team. Also 2 of those teams that were in the 2015 7 team tournament were bumped up to Major Plus, Team USA and N.E. Storm. Good Luck in 2016 and have a safe and happy holiday |
| Dec. 21, 2015 Allan55 102 posts | nicki50, I feel your pain. I played on a 50 major plus team in the Worlds with a team that had no chance of winning. We played and went 0-5. Yes, we paid our money to go 0-5. After that year, we were reclassified to 50 major. Two years ago two teams were bumped to 55 major plus. They played in the Worlds and did poorly. They were moved down for the next season. Doing well or poorly in tournaments throughout the season is not a true indication of a team's ability. There are many things that can happen; such as players not making tournaments because of other commitments. When teams come to the Worlds, they usually have most or all of their players. It is then that the ability of a team can be fairly judged. You have to go through the process just like the other teams. Good luck this season. |
| Dec. 22, 2015 joel 1975 131 posts | back in 2009 travel lodge won 55 major plus the next year all the player's from that team went to black & blue only three guy's left still had to play major plus |
