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Discussion: VEGAS FIELDS

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July 9, 2015
DBurke23
Men's 50
22 posts
VEGAS FIELDS
I will be playing in Vegas for the first time this fall. I've read various opinions about the fields but have never seen anyone "rank" the fields. If some of you could respond with top 3 and bottom 3 that would be great. Thanks
July 9, 2015
JBTexas
Men's 70
417 posts
Easy, Big League Dream is the best and Shadow Rock is the worst. All the rest follow in between.
July 9, 2015
antieinstein
Men's 70
53 posts
Shadow Rock is a dump. Nobody should have to play all games at that location.
Everyone should share the pain. Most of the fields in Vegas are very good.
July 9, 2015
stick8
1965 posts
In my humble opinion:
Arroyo Grande: the best
Field of Dreams: is good--gimmicky with different dimensions plus wall ball but field turf is nice to play on.
Sunset: is OK, real hard infields though
Shadow Rock: so so
others I'm not familiar with
July 9, 2015
Dbax
Men's 65
2021 posts
Actually the two north diamonds at Shadow Rock are outstanding the other two suck. Arroyo Grande, Big League Dreams, Desert Breeze, Sunset and Lorenzie are all good. Doc Romeo is fine also. Warm Springs, unless they have done some work there, not so good.
July 9, 2015
maurice
9 posts
Shadow Rock not so good. Big League Dreams and Arroyo Grande are both good.
July 10, 2015
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1390 posts
We played in Vegas for years; so this may have changed since then. Even with all of the nice complexes and all of the technology of Vegas, we never saw a scoreboard actually working, and we played at 6 different complexes and visited a few others.
July 11, 2015
antieinstein
Men's 70
53 posts
Ms Allen WRONG!! Best place to play softball is VEGAS. Most scoreboards work.
July 11, 2015
JBTexas
Men's 70
417 posts
played there 7 seven years and the only scoreboards that were working was BLD.
July 11, 2015
Dbax
Men's 65
2021 posts
Working scoreboards have absolutely nothing to do with field quality.
July 11, 2015
Omar Khayyam
1352 posts
It's not just Vegas, it is most scoreboards at most parks. Seems like there is seldom any daytime staff to work the scoreboards and it is a rare umpire who is interested in doing it himself. Even Big League Dreams often have scoreboards that are non-functional. I agree that this has little to do with field quality, but it has something to do with overall quality.
July 12, 2015
Nancy Allen
Men's 55
1390 posts
Antieinstein, I agree that there are some wonderful fields there. We only ever had one complex that we thought was not good. All are right that working scoreboards do not correlate to field quality. I just found it interesting that all the times we played in Vegas that we never had a working scoreboard irregardless of which complex. Most of ours work here. To me Vegas is sometimes about the lights, only the ones on the ballpark scoreboards were not on.

Neck10, the balls are still going through that gate even when it is closed. Yes, there are also a few bulbs burned out on that scoreboard. I guess he hasn't allocated budget for those major expenses yet.
July 13, 2015
Garocket
Men's 55
259 posts
For years either Pepsi or Coke gave the scoreboards away and paid to have them serviced. Now neither does that. They do not even install them or pay to keep them up. The old bulb scoreboards use powerpacks that go out very easy. In our area we have a company that comes out but it is $150.00 service call plus $90.00 per hour labor plus parts. The powerpacks are around $60.00 each. With them going out quite easy. A four field complex should budget around $5000 per year for scoreboard service in the budget. Most parks cut that out very quickly. The new LED scoreboards cost about $4900 each and that does not count installation. They are pretty efficient but parks do not want to spend that $25,000 to put them in. But once they are in they are good for years
July 13, 2015
Gonedeep43
71 posts
Don't care about the scoreboards. What I do care about is the fact that SSUSA doesn't spread the pain when it comes to the less desirable fields in Vegas. The powers that be shouldn't automatically force 50AAA onto Shadow rock. The 40s won't be in town at the same time as the 50's and above, that should free up some room at other fields. Fair is fair.
July 13, 2015
TimMcElroy
842 posts
Gonedeep43,

The 50-AAA division is the largest in the tournament. With 60 or more teams participating, no single facility in Las Vegas can handle it. To get it done on time you have to play games deep into the night. Some of the parks you are probably hoping to play at (BLD, Arroyo, Sunset, Desert Breeze) have league or other restrictions so they aren't an option for the large bracket divisions. Six of the eight diamonds used for the 50-AAA bracket games are excellent. The other two diamonds just aren't as nice.

When the WMC first moved to Las Vegas, the 50-AAA bracket was played in a manner such that teams had to drive from one park to another based on the timing of their wins and losses. That created bad feelings from players who spent their weekend in traffic and/or racing from one park to another. None of that happens under the current system.



July 14, 2015
SSUSA Staff
3225 posts
The general "rule of thumb" is that six teams per diamond is about the ideal/maximum for a 5-game-guarantee format played over three days ... With 60+ teams in the 50-AAA, the best mix for 10 fields is: Lorenzi/Shadow Rock/Hollywood ... Those three facilities are also three of only five facilities unrestricted by local league play ... The other two are Desert Breeze and Doc Romeo ... The "If" game in the 50-AAA bracket last year was Game #139, which is what also requires the early Friday games to be spread laterally at three other complexes (Arroyo Grande, Doc Romeo and Desert Bloom) so that the bracket first round can be played on Friday afternoon and evening ...

The 50-AAA is split into two pools, with principal pool sites being Lorenzi (National) and Shadow Rock (American) until the 10 surviving teams into Sunday converge at Shadow Rock ... We will make an effort this year to "cross over" as many returning teams as we can to the opposite primary pool site from where they have played on Friday and Saturday last year ... It may not be possible to cross over every team, but we will do what we can there ...

Of course, if Big League Dreams is your preferred destination, please call the Sacramento office and ask for a rating change to 50-Major ... That would do it!

July 14, 2015
Gonedeep43
71 posts
BLD would be great, but really, any facility other than Shadow Rock and Hollywood would be an upgrade. Just because 50AAA is the largest group doesn't mean they should automatically be given two of the worst facilities. Lorenzi is a fine facility, but are you telling me that there isn't another facility amongst the many in Vegas and Henderson that could be used for 50AAA?? Shadow Rock and Hollywood are terrible and to say otherwise is an insult to those that have been force to play there.
July 14, 2015
SSUSA Staff
3225 posts
Gonedeep43: "...but are you telling me that there isn't another facility amongst the many in Vegas and Henderson that could be used for 50AAA??.." ...

Yes, that's exactly what we are saying ... The proximity of Hollywood to Shadow Rock, their general proximity to Lorenzi and the unrestricted hours of play yield, by far, the best combination of fields for a 10-field package that can handle a 60+ team division.

Here are the specifics on all of the other potential facilities and some of the issues they present for a Division having over 60 teams:

Arroyo Grande (4) Local league restrictions Friday ... No game slots available after 2:00 PM
Big League Dreams (6) Local league restrictions Friday (No game slots available after 3:30 PM) and Sunday afternoon local league restrictions on National League side (No game slots after 2:00 PM)
Bighorn/Hemenway (2) Lacks game slot capacity and is a travel distance problem in a split-site Division
Cheyene Park (4) Not currently acceptable as a tournament quality facility
Desert Bloom (2) Lacks game slot capacity
Desert Breeze (4) Under contract to another tournament promoter and not currently available to SSUSA for Session #3
Doc Romeo Park (3) Only a 3-field facility ... Lacks game slot capacity and has a safety issue with one field (#5) having limited ability to have a lot of HR's hit there due to youth skate park immediately outside of LF
Dos Escuelas (2) Lacks game slot capacity ... Local league restrictions Friday (No game slots available after 2:00 PM)
Russell Road (2) Lacks game slot capacity ... Local league restrictions Friday (No game slots available after 2:00 PM)
Sunset Park (6) Local league restrictions Friday, Saturday and Sunday on four of six fields (No game slots available after 2:00 PM) ... Two fields are available late(r)
Warm Springs (2) Lacks game slot capacity


July 14, 2015
17Black
Men's 55
411 posts
^^^^^ Dave (SSUSA STAFF) that about sums it up.

THANK YOU!!!

I don't think a lot of teams and players know what it takes to put on a tournament, especially one of this magnitude!!!!!

Kudos to the SSUSA Staff for being as organized as possible, with multiple left turns to be up against at each and every tournament!!!!
July 14, 2015
AcePV
Men's 60
29 posts
I appreciate the effort and hard work staff does in putting together such a huge tournament as the Worlds. It's too bad that Vegas Parks and Rec or whoever can't help out a little by simply not scheduling games on the Friday or Saturday nights needed for the tourney. After all, they are only rec games for goodness sakes that are played every week.
July 14, 2015
Gonedeep43
71 posts
Thanks for explaining it in such great detail. I agree with AcePV, with such a huge tourney, you would think some of those facilities would set aside their leagues for the week to accommodate our tournament. Wishful thinking??
July 14, 2015
JBTexas
Men's 70
417 posts
Staff, I guess the questions is why not go back to Phoenix if Vegas will not let us use they fields at the times needed????
July 14, 2015
Sisavic
190 posts
How are the Sunset Park fields? Where do they rank among the other parks? Also, is there a place for pre-game hitting at or nearby?
July 15, 2015
Capt Kirk
541 posts
Since we had 60 plus team in 50+ age bracket (AAA) playing in Las Vegas World Championship in 2014, is it time to
review the mix in the 50+ division:
50+ Major Plus- 15 teams,
50+ Major-31 teams,
50+ AAA- 62 teams, &
50+ AA- 8 teams.
Note: Is there a AAA+ rating on the horizon for the 50's?
July 15, 2015
Dbax
Men's 65
2021 posts
Sunset is nice. Outfields are beautiful. Lots of areas for BP.
July 24, 2015
deep14
102 posts
Well in 2014 the 50's AAA had to move from fielsd to field.Not so nice
July 24, 2015
K9er
7 posts
Yes, it does beg the question of returning to Phoenix. Sure, Las Vegas is a entertaining destination, but the Phx area and population is some three times that of Vegas and much more facilities. Not only have they done us well in the past, but think of the SSUSA team representations from AZ. Gotta be a state with of one of the most SSUSA teams.
July 25, 2015
boston
Men's 60
355 posts
Arroyo grande gets my vote as best field. I do agree with K9er about Phoenix. Not the party/entertainment destination Vegas is but the fields are much betr as a whole. I don't remember Phoenix not leting us use fields due to league play.
July 25, 2015
shortstopchic10
Women's 40
58 posts
If you switch back to Phoenix for World's then what happens to Winter World's? Think Vegas is more of a draw for October and Phoenix weather is better than Vegas normally in November. I remember a miserable Winter World's in November 2010 in Vegas. I think that may have been a possible factor in flip flipping the tournaments
July 26, 2015
Capt Kirk
541 posts
We will be playing all our games at Shadow Rock, since the Las Vegas Economy is booming, why doesn't the city invest
some money to upgrade the fields at Shadow Rock? Simple upgrades, level the fields, water the fields, drag the fields, we are not asking for a field of dreams complex,
but fields that are worthy of the $700/entry fee.
Thanks
Capt Kirk
Texas Rattlers
July 26, 2015
Capt Kirk
541 posts
Correction: We will be playing all our games at Shadow Rock, since the Clark County Economy is booming, why doesn't the county invest some money to upgrade the fields at Shadow Rock? Simple upgrades, level the fields, water the fields, drag the fields, we are not asking for a field of dreams complex, but fields that are worthy of the $700/entry fee.
Thanks
Capt Kirk
Texas Rattlers
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July 27, 2015
antieinstein
Men's 70
53 posts
Las Vegas or Phoenix ? Not even close unless you like to stay in your room and do nothing after you play.
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