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Discussion: the new bat "Nightmare"

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Aug. 24
grayhitter59
Men's 60
345 posts
Just got to swing the new bat Nightmare. First time swinging a 2 piece, need a bit of time to get use to it, but after 25 BP swings used it in a game 2 hard line drives and two balls over the fence that traveled over 350Ft. I guess I am 2 piece guy from now on. Can't wait to see what happens with 100 swings heard it has 2 more levels before it is fully broken in. WOW should be something.


Heard they will be avialable in 27oz and 28oz my was a 28 need to get the 27oz.

Aug. 24
taits
Men's 65
4548 posts
Onermaybe being broken in & the other cracked? lol
Aug. 24
grayhitter59
Men's 60
345 posts
No cracks or spider webbing on this bat. Brand new out of the rapper.
Sept. 26
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
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Sept. 26
hemi racer
Men's 65
237 posts
Didn't think grayhitter's comments where out of order. He was just passing along a personal experience with a product we all use. He wasn't trying to sell them.
Sept. 26
HJ
Men's 70
481 posts
Grayhitter's comments were fine with 1 caveat. If he has a financial interest in the nightmare (he intends to sell them) then he should disclose that. If he has no financial interest, then I don't understand what the problem is. We all want to hear about new products and how they perform and hold up.
Sept. 26
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3528 posts
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Sept. 26
hemi racer
Men's 65
237 posts
That sounds reasonable enough. THANKS! for the service you provide us old guys with this site.
Sept. 27
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
I have no problem with anything........except I started a thread about the Dudley Lightning bat, a company who does advertise on this site. They sold a limited few @ Dalton, GA.

I conveyed my experience hitting with the bat, and the experiences of others who hit with the bat, and give it a high rating. SSUSA staff seems it disappropriate for reasons unknown.

As stated by HJ, I have no financial interest either. Just trying to share information, and get some feedback from others. I would like to at least have some discussion come back my way.

Why is that so hard to understand?

Thank you,

Wayne Langley

P. S. I don't even know who makes the Nightmare, or if it a new bat company. No ones' said.
Sept. 27
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3233 posts
I'm thinking you have not read all of the post pertaining to the Nightmare. Tatooball is the one responsible for the bat and it carries the company name AD Starr on the bat. AD Starr is more well known for softballs.
Sept. 27
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
Bruce,

I Googled it, and found AD Starr manufactures the bat. Dudley is more well known for making softballs also.

I'm sure the Nightmare will be selling like hotcakes at the Nationals, and Worlds coming up seeing how it is now approved for senior play.

Just smells [sniff, sniff] kind of fishy that the bat is being promoted by an individual, as in "advertising a commercial product".

I don't run in the clique, so I wish some could be more specific. I'm not a person who hauls several bats around with me.

Like I said earlier, I've hit with the Dudley Lightning balanced bat, and I think it performs exceptionally well. Know a person who hits with the end load, and they are outdoing past performances. I have swung the end load. However, I never swing an end load bat, so I feel that point is moot coming from me. Just passing on some information if people are void of information concerning the bat.

I started a thread earlier...and it gets taken down when I have no vested interest in said bat, nor do I aspire to. I haven't a problem with the Nightmare thread. Just the criteria why it stays up, and mine comes down seeing how Dudley has a banner thread on the site.
Sept. 27
Railice96
Men's 60
38 posts
I think you have to put a 'Nightmare' in your hands and try it! Your opinion would change in more ways than 1. Also the selling, they are limited edition. So ask your friends.
Sept. 28
BruceinGa
Men's 70
3233 posts
Wayne, the Dudley was designed by the same person that designed the Reebok Melee Legend and the Nightmare was designed by the same person that designed the Senior Combat and the yellow and white MM Combat (tatooball I believe).
Sept. 28
grayhitter59
Men's 60
345 posts
I think this is getting out of hand, I was sent a bat by a friend (Kevin) from AD Star and was asked to use it in a senior league that I play in South Florida.
I did that, I liked the bat and like I have read in the past from several other members of this board I thought I should share my comments. Now all of this garbage about selling bats and what nots comes up. WOW! but just to let everyone here know that if I was asked to sell this bats I would becuase it feels like it would benifit players who are constantly having to buy new bats due to the longevity of that bats that are out in the market today.
Sept. 28
Wayne 37
Men's 65
773 posts
Thanks for the info guys. That is all I was looking for. I'm more of a novice player today, but I do like to read, and share some of the information for my own personal use, and to pass on to others.

Just like grayhitter59, I was given a Dudley Lightning to use. It too seems to be comparable to the Nightmare in pop, and durability.
Sounds like the bats are similar.

I know most of y'all are more up to date on the going on in senior softball. That's why I posted, and hoped to get feedback. Just puzzled why SSUSA would remove the thread.

FYI ~ I not upset with anybody on this site. It is pretty much "free flow" from everyone. I don't post a lot, but will read more. Like I said previously, I value the information on bats especially.

Hope everyone is well, and healthy after the long season.

Thanks to all,

Wayne Langley (Wayne 37)
Sept. 28
tattooball

774 posts
Wayne I am going to go out on a limb here and say your post may have been deleted because of what someone else posted in the thread and not what you posted.

Many threads get deleted because of others jumping into the thread. Did a Dudley rep post in your thread? That could have been the reason.
Sept. 28
brian warner
Men's 55
54 posts
The Nightmare we had was just that, A NIGHTMARE. We had a 28oz. bat and with less then 200 swings. Which included the 1st 50 to 75 half swings we told to do. The thing blew up like a can of biscuits on the edge of the stove on a Sunday morning.We sent pictures of the bat to the proper person. And were told we will replace it in time for us to use in Vegas. But after almost 2 weeks we were told that the company claimed the end cap was destroyed. And they wouldn't honor their representative's promise of a quick replacement.
Sept. 29
tattooball

774 posts
Well Brian the ABS plastic end cap was smashed in when the bat was received here. Abs is not easy to damage. Pictures were sent to the owner and we discussed the bat. I don't know what happened to the bat but it is damaged in a way that it would not be replaced.

It appears that the bat was smashed into the ground violently.

Good luck in Vegas.
Sept. 29
brian warner
Men's 55
54 posts
Well did ever occur to you that might have happened during shipment. Or perhaps after it reach AD Star. Because it didn't happen here. And I'm the one who bought the bat. I told Mark I wouldn't deal with you direct after the way you didn't follow thru with the last deal we made. You need to look at your end for where the damage happened because that bat was perfect from end cap to the knob. Except for barrel that was blown apart all the way around. Magical how the bat left here with good end cap and after you guys have for almost 2 weeks it develops destroyed end cap. But don't worry about Kevin we expected nothing less from you. Customer service is something you should look into. After all I only provided you with close to 50 bat sales. Funny how fast you forget those who help you.
Sept. 30
tattooball

774 posts
The force it would have taken to do this damage the box would have been destroyed. The box was not. I also would have gotten a credit for the bat so cost is not an issue.

Yes I do remember the bats I sold to your group at wholesale so you guys could make some money for your team, sorry my bad. I also remember replacing some of the ones with paint defects at no charge, my bad again. So the only issue I address is the bat was damaged and I have pictures if you would like to see them.
Sept. 30
taits
Men's 65
4548 posts
Brian,
Kevin DOES SERVICE HIS CUSTOMERS as do many other reps on her, but not all of them do, imo.
Sept. 30
brian warner
Men's 55
54 posts
Well Taits there was a time I would have said that about Kevin. As far as the end cap issue goes, I,ve seen the pictures. And I have bats with caps that look twice as bad as this so called destroyed end cap. Not that we expect you to care but several shipping companies have damage depts. which repair or replace damaged boxes. I say this because there was nothing wrong with the end cap when we put it in the box to come to you. And the price you sold those bats for was worked out with another person not me. The price you sold those bats for was your doing not mine. Paint it however you like you didn't follow thru with promise's you made in either case.
Sept. 30
taits
Men's 65
4548 posts
I see it a many ways:
1. It is a likely a NO WARRANTY bat, (I do not know, but most sr bats are) so your out the money if you paid for it. Not a good thing, I know many times over on bats myself.
2. I have probably sent 300 bats by mail from 1999-2007 or so. Only one didn't show up\return to destination. None were damaged in transit. Missing one was actually stolen at the PO in 2003, I think it was.
3. Someone may have had a very bad moment and (for lack if correct wording) rapped the bat on the ground however many times and destroyed the thing as many of us do after a bad at bat or game.
4. I broke my end cap in two in 2012 and called Combat about getting another for a 10 year old bat (Grey one). Person said they no longer made them. Long story short he requested I send it in and he would 'see' what could be done since all caps are same size. (my input to him) I know what he was looking for and didn't bother me. I sent it and got it back in 3 weeks

I think it is all on how you go about things. And getting on tattooball on a no warranty issue isn't smart, imho.
As for pics if you had taken then just before shipping you 'might' have had a case. I do that on most all $$ mailings. That goes for conformation info too.
Good luck playing ball & stay healthy.
Get another one.
Sept. 30
brian warner
Men's 55
54 posts
Taits, We sent him pictures before we sent the bat to him. And he said after he saw the bat that he would get one for us before Vegas. He also ask us not to tell anyone about how bad the bat blew up. Using the possible answer of bad QC in China. You might ask him to post the pictures ( he won't) of the end cap. The cap looks almost new,not destroyed at all. I'm sorry to all people out there who have endured this P*^%*ng contest. Lesson learned won't deal with man or company ever again.
Oct. 1
tattooball

774 posts
Brian this is an outright lie. I never talked to you and I NEVER said do not tell any one that the bat broke, you can come on here and bad mouth me all you want you are a liar. I do remember my conversation with the owner of the bat. As a matter of fact when I got back on sunday I had an email from the owner to contact him about buying another bat of another brand. If I am lying why would this man send me that email. I will send them to taits to verify if you would like.

Oct. 1
taits
Men's 65
4548 posts

A few thoughts:

Saw the pics, read the emails. IMO bat was abused over normal the wear and tear for said time in use. Cap was way out of shape, ie flattened in about 3\4'-1" area with cut like portion and bluish mark on barrel that make me wonder why it's there. No others around. and barrel is white in color. No ground surface scratches did I see either. But then it's a pic, a pictorial shot in time.
I though this bat was yours but I see that it was not. Seemingly strange but then I have done that for others and one rep on here has done that for me...
But I believe for what it may or may not be worth that Kevin gets this round\issue hands down and the owner Mark, seems fine with that.

Get the white Combat Mark mentioned or another Nightmare, I think the better choice.
Move on. Play lots of ball, meet even more players & stay in touch with some of them.
I'm done here.
Oct. 1
brian warner
Men's 55
54 posts
Well look who is losing their temper. Why don't you put this bat out for everyone to see. The thing we find funny is how after 2 weeks with no one to confirm your claims this bat suddenly develops a destroyed end cap. Check with your so called owner and ask him who bought the bat. And you will find out it was me. You sir are the LIAR and have proved it time and time again.
Oct. 2
Sr34

19 posts
Ok, I am the one who purchased the bat "along" with Brian. I'm not sure what pictures were viewed but the bat did NOT have an abused end cap. I'm not mad at anyone, I just sent the bat back to Kevin to allow him to see the damage. I have had success with Kevin in the past and do not hold anyone responsible for the bat.
That said, just because I accepted the decision to not replace the bat does not mean I am happy about the choice, and I do believe it is a choice. The bat manufacture Rep called me,
" Brandon" and said that we had not even paid for the bat, that caused some confusion. Neither here or there, Brian paid for half the bat and did not need to be called a liar. I know what shape I sent the bat back in, I have pictures of it because Kevin asked me to take them for him. Kevin said that it was more than likely a flaw. I understand things happen, but instead of calling Kevin a liar I chose to find a alternative explanation for the damage.
The comment about smashing the bat into the ground violently is just wrong.
Oct. 2
PJ3P
Men's 50
94 posts
I'll say this about my dealing with Kevin aka Tattooball.
I was fortunate enough to get one of the first production Nightmare bats. When I got the bat I told Kevin that after the break in process I would make a video review.
Kevin told me the following.... if you roll the bat it will break right away and whatever your opinion of the bat is, be 100% honest. Good or bad. He insisted that I be totally honest in my review even if I hated the bat. What I learned about the Nightmare is that it is a stiff feeling bat that performs very well even when it "feels" like you missed the "sweet spot". I am definitely a bat breaker. Bats that don't break right away like the Legit will get too soft to perform for me. My Nightmare lasted me 1100 very happy swings. An Ultra 2 pc 200, Reebok 275, Legit 300 too soft. Is the Nightmare for everyone? No way. Some people won't be able to handle the big end load. Some won't like the stiff feel. Some people simply won't like Kevin LOL. Me personally, I am thrilled and I hope to shoot some more video tomorrow morning with my second Nightmare. My youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiacdL27kS55sZDHZMyVD2EIoWWzWgAe2
Oct. 17
the wood
Men's 65
1123 posts
We have been hitting the Nightmare (27 oz) and have roughly 400 swings on it. Half of those swings were done by a 24 yr old football player (6'7", 315 lbs) who has a baseball background. He is hitting the ball 400' +... he has no slow pitch experience and could be hitting it further with some swing refinements.
The point here is that Kevin Schullstrom has boasted about the bat's pop and its durability.
I have used it, too, and I feel that it has the same pop as the Dudley Lightning but takes longer to break in. The feel of the Nightmare is different than any of my other senior bats so it has taken some time to get used to it. Both are great bats.
After 400 swings there is some paint chipping on the Nightmare's barrel but there are no cracks in it. We use the ISA Rock and ISA Trump Stotes... the weather in So Cal has been 70-90 degrees... 75' above sea level.
Everything Kevin told me about the bat is true. I am not getting paid to sell the bat, I am not looking for Kevin to sponsor our team nor am I expecting any other form of remuneration.
Bob Woodroof
Oct. 17
DoubleL10
Men's 70
907 posts
I agree with everything The Wood says...I hit the Nightmare with Kevin and Mark "Buddah" Canegallo in Virginia before I bought the 27. I also swung the 28 oz which has a 3 oz end load but I am not a "beast" like those two! So I chumped out and got the 27 oz which has a 2 oz end load. I'm still in the process of breaking it in and, for me, it has taken me a while to get used to the stiffness of the 2-piece construction. I'm liking the bat more and more. Improbably have 350+ Swings on it now
On the Dudley Lightening, I swung a DEMO that Gary Tryhorn had in Las Vegas and liked it right away. I got the 27 oz end load with the 12 inch barrel. I liked the bat out of the wrapper and it fits my swing well. I plan on using it in the Winter Worlds in Fort Myers.
Also, the disclaimers that Bob stated apply to me as well - I am not getting paid to sell either bat although I like them both!
Dec. 10
mnball

29 posts
I have never meet Kevin , but if you don't like his Nightmare bat then you are not up to speed and don't know what a good bat is. I told him the bat I bought was just an average senior bat and for me was well behind my 2 Dudley Lightning bats along with about 4 other sr bats. The guy has a horrible attitude and I for one will never own or hit a Nightmare bat or use Tattoo balls. I can't imagine having a problem with a bat and dealing with Kevin - you have no chance...
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