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| Dec. 10, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers We are ALL willing to work with SSUSA to come to some kind of compromise to allow us to use an SSUSA approved SOLAR Warmer. Give us some options. |
| Dec. 10, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers Dave, Can you please answer this question. Why is SSUSA IGNORING the wishes of the MANY players just to appease the few (National Rules Committee)? If SSUSA is worried about being sued, build it into the WAVER that you make us ALL sign before we play our first game. |
| Dec. 10, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers Dave Dowell, no disrespect meant. you are a good guy, and we all know you are trying to protect the SSUSA Brand and Terry. But does that mean that the other endorsements are also fake? You said "Maybe not everything is automatically true because it's on the internet". What if it is TRUE? Sorry if we do not think the same way you do. Merry Christmas |
| Dec. 9, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers yankeefan, Are you playing SSUSA when you are using your Propane Heater? |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers 9 ball, There is no reason to duck for cover. You did not say anything I would fire back at you for. You and I are roughly the same age. Except I have been playing softball for almost 60 straight years. You are correct. Things have changed. We also like the changes that were made for safety reasons. When it comes to the Balls, the ones they are using SUCK. You are right in one aspect. By the third inning if not sooner the balls take on the color of the infield and are very difficult to see. But they are NOT New and improved. They are many steps below what they were using (ROCK). The Rock was the best ball they ever used. The Rock is still available to purchase. From what I understand, they were hard to get because of COVID. SSUSA had to find a ball. They went with the Baden Fire. I do not know if you are aware that there is a semi new ball out there made by ONYX. It is a very good ball. Probably the closest thing to the Rock. PLUS, they do NOT get dirty. They are excellent balls. SSUSA is still under contract with Baden for a few more years. Players are not seeking an edge. If everyone has the option to use a warmer, what edge are they gaining? It's their choice. Players just want their equipment(Bats)to last as long as they can. Like you stated, $250 a bat with NO WARRANTY!!. ALL, I mean ALL we ask is if the Temp is lower than 70 degrees allow us to use some kind of a SOLAR Warmer. NOTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CHARGE or MICROWAVED. Nor anything that needs a PROPANE TANK. Is that really asking a lot? It might be possible that you do not break bats like a lot of us do. I do not know about you, but I cannot afford to buy 3 or 4 bats a year. If I did, I'd probably have an ex-wife. Maybe if bat companies lowered their price on these bats and they came with a LIMITED WARRANTY we would probably not be having this discussion. So you know. A couple years ago I bought a New Bat from a company to remain nameless. It broke within 30 swings. I do not swing all that hard. I called the Manufacture. After I explained what happen, the FIRST thing they asked me was and I quote "What was the Temperature while using the bat?" It was in early March, the temp was in the High 60's. He also told me not to use my bat if it is under 64 degrees. Back then you could pay extra for a one year warranty. He said if you did use it under 64 degrees it would VOID the warranty. They did replaced my bat. The new bat broke 5 months later at in Colorado. I have NOT used that companies bat ever again. 9 ball, I wish you nothing but the best in your upcoming season. Hope you and your team have Great SUCCESS in 2025. |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers SSUSA STAFF, Rule 3.4 (6) Again the rule does NOT hold water as far as a heated bat. It covers SHAVED and ROLLED bats. If my bat is lying on Artificial Turf and it gets hot, is that an ALTERED BAT? If the Umpire says that your bat is to HOT, even if it was naturally by the SUN, is that an ALTERED BAT and you could be SUSPENDED? If you hang your Bat on the fence and the SUN heats it, is that an ALTERED Bat and you could get SUSPENDED? There is NOTHING that you can say that Justifies this rule. Personally I feel it is a bit Hypocritical. SSUSA uses cold balls in games that are played in the 50's or lower. ISN'T that an altered Ball? |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers Ball Smasher, I very much respect your opinion. The player/s that are dump enough to bring a propane tank in the park to heat their bats should be SUSPENDED. To me it's just like Shaving a bat. The player should not be suspended like a bat shaver (10 years) But at least 1 year. Personally I will NEVER play on a team that has any player that is accused of using an altered bat. I do not want to be labeled as a cheater by GUILT of ASSOCIATION. We all know Players out there that have a reputation of using Shaved bats. What we are asking for is the use of SOLAR Heater ONLY. The Clear bags that hang on the fence, any kind of Rubber Sleeve that is heated by the SUN or even a Solar Box. You do not see Solar boxes that mush anymore (pain in the ass to carry around). ALL OF THESE are SOLAR HEATED. There are a few bat warmers out there that you charge by battery or Microwave. Those bat warmers have been around for almost 10 years and SSUSA NEVER complained about the use of them. If SSUSA wants to band them, I see no problem with that. Instead of SSUSA making these very unpopular decisions, Post the possible rule change to the website. Let PLAYERS Vote. Let the players see the running total without it being manipulated by SSUSA. |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers SSUSA Staff... your vigorous discussion and result to me doesn't hold water. Like DBLB32 said. He took his used bat (700 swings) straight out of his warmer, in front of the tester. Handed it to the tester, it passed. NOT Barely, it passed by a lot. IF, using a bat warmer changes the compression like you say, why would players use one if it was going to make a bat illegal? It MIGHT change a bat a little. As long as it is within SSUSA's guidelines whats the problem? If it is deemed illegal, you just toss it out. But as long as the Bats pass there should be NO problem using a warmer. It seems logical to me and maybe others. SSUSA has not really thought this out very well before implementing the rule. Does SSUSA really care about the SAFETY of it's players? I am NOT bashing you about this subject. I'm just saying. If you really cared about safety of players you would NOT play games when it was in the 50's or lower (Using Cold Balls). No Games would be played on WET fields. I know these are not realistic. ALL WE ARE ASKING IS YOU ALLOW BAT WARMERS AS LONG AS IT IS BELOW 70 DEGREES. Like I asked before. What happens if BOTH teams used warmers? Will it be a DOUBLE FORFEIT? If so, what will that do to your Bracket? As players, we are trying to improve Senior Softball. It seems that when it looks like we are taking steps forward, SSUSA throws a monkey wrench in it and we end up taking 3 steps backwards. If you had an Iphone and you were told that you are NOT allowed to put a case on your phone to protect it and make it last longer, Would you still put a case on it if it meant it would last an extra year or more? or would you NOT put a case on it and have to buy a New Phone every year? All we are doing is making the tools of our trade last longer. SSUSA's bottom line Compression is 140. Here are a few questions for SSUSA. What if a bat that used a Bat Warmer was tested and it was rated below 140? You would confiscate if or throw it out. CORRECT? What if the bat sat there for a while and it was tested again later in the day and it now passes the compression test? Would it be legal to use? Would you give it back to the player? What it all comes down to is as long as it passes it is LEGAL |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers BTW. When you are playing on an ARTIFICIAL Turf field and you lay your bat on the turf it will heat your bat faster and hotter. According to SSUSA it sounds like that the turf would be being used as a BAT WARMER. Like NOT DAVE said. GIVE (US) THE PLAYERS THE RIGHT TO USE BAT WARMERS. |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers SSUSA, we are not, or at least I'm not trying to bust your chops. The players are what makes SSUSA so successful. We do appreciate ALL that you do and have created. But you should really listen to the players. We do understand the Rule about Shaving Bats. Whoever was the one Committee member that voted to allow Bat Warmers, WE APPLAUD YOU. |
| Dec. 8, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers Please read the SECTION 7 ALL EQUIPMENT Rule. SECTION 7 • ALL EQUIPMENT Notwithstanding the foregoing, USA Softball reserves the right to withhold or withdraw approval of any equipment which, in USA Softball's sole determination, significantly changes the character of the game, affects the SAFETY OF PARTICIPANTS AND SPECTATORS, or renders a player's performance more a product of the player's equipment rather than the player's individual skill. Note: The characteristics of any approved equipment cannot be unnaturally changed. Examples include ICING, COOLING or HEATING of any equipment. In addition, approved bats shall not be rolled, shaved or modified to change their characteristics from that produced by the manufacturer. Warming devices for bats are not approved. Like I mentioned before. WHEN THESE BALLS ARE COLD, THE TRAVEL FURTHER, FASTER AND THE BALLS ARE HARDER. isn't that putting players (PITCHER,3B & 1B)in HARMS WAY? They are the closest to the batter. Isn't that an unsafe situation? The Rule also says "RENDERS A PLAYER'S PERFORMANCE MORE A PRODUCT OF THE PLAYER'S EQUIPMENT RATHER THAN THE PLAYER'S INDIVIDUAL SKILL". EXAMPLE: A Player in warm weather hits the ball at the speed of 80 MPH at His or Her Natural Skill level. Now the Ball is COOLER and He or She can now hit the ball at 85-90MPH. ISN"T THAT ADDING TO OR CHANGING THE PLAYER"S SKILL LEVEL? What will the penalty be if you use a NATURALLY HEATED WARMER? AND, What if all the players on both teams use a warmer? Is SSUSA going to eject them from playing? Does that mean it is a DOUBLE FORFEIT? |
| Dec. 7, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Website comments Discussion: Bat Warmers I totally also agree with DBLB32. Players should be allowed to use Bat Warmers (Their Choice). There is one thing that nobody has mentioned. We are NOT allowed to but the balls in a cooler. Honest players do not have a problem with that rule. The reason is, when the ball is cold it goes further, faster and could be a little harder. So, from what I have noticed, if you happen to be playing in the first morning game of the day and the Temp is in the 50's or lower the ball is also colder & harder. If your bat is cold there is a much higher risk of your bat breaking. These bats are not cheap. There are bats out there that are failing the compression text straight out of the wrapper. Yet, bats that have been in a Bat Warmer are passing the CT. GO FIGURE |
| Nov. 25, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Bases loaded, less than 2 outs DPlayer, 1). IF, 3B is touched first, the force is no-longer in play for the runner that was on third heading home. So, if 3B is touched first the runner does NOT have to leave the bag and will be safe even if touched while still on the bag 2). IF, the third baseman touches the runner on third first (Even if he is still touching 3b) the runner will be OUT and the force play at 3B will still be in play. Result: DOUBLE PLAY |
| Aug. 20, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Bats Discussion: Soda Pop I use the Soda Pop bat. Very good bat. You can hit them out with it. I also use the Blue Grass. The Blue Grass is a Medium Speed Swing bat. They will go out with this bat too. I am just waiting to see how many swings you can get before it breaks. Right now my Soda Pop has about 150 swings on it. My Blue Grass has around 100 |
| July 20, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: Westerns National Championship You are not wrong. My team recently disbanded because of the SSUSA rating system. ALL THAT PLAYERS AND TEAMS WANT IS A FAIR AND EQUAL PLAYING FIELD. |
| May 5, 2024 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Rule understanding IF, There is only one out, it's no big deal. IF, there is two outs, you must appeal the runner not touching 2B. That's if the Umpire is watching. |
| Aug. 21, 2023 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Does the run count? YES. It is an appeal play. NOT a force out |
| May 7, 2023 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Here is one I have never seen. 44. RUNNER HIT BY A FAIR BATTED BALL. A. While in Contact With the Base. A runner who is hit by a fair batted ball while in contact with the base should not be called out unless the act is intentional. The ball remains live, or becomes immediately dead, depending on the closest defensive player. When the closest defensive player is in front of the base that the runner is in contact with, the ball remains live. However, when the closest defensive player is behind the base, the ball is dead. Should the ball be ruled dead and the batter awarded a base hit, only runners forced to advance because the batter was placed on first base shall advance one base. |
| May 5, 2023 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Rock 'n' Reno Jimmy, Unless you have to go thru Vegas to pick someone up, I would not go that way. Take the Extraterrestrial Highway. It is about 90 minutes faster. |
| Jan. 25, 2023 Mason's Grandpa | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: scoring line in senior softball Short answer. YES, as long as he did not dive across the line. |
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