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| May 16, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Answers about Bat Testing Donna, I appreciate you directing me to the NEWS about this but that actually answered very few questions. It gave simplistic answers to my questions 2 & 3. But it fails to address questions 1, 4, 5 and 6 which are the most important and will affect people the greatest. Those questions need to be addressed so everyone knows the process. You can't say you are going to take people property away if they fail a test on bats that weren't designed to be tested in that way without giving proper information. You are correct I did mistype the BPF instead of NTS but my statement still holds true. If you know anything about bat construction when non senior bats are made they are held to 1.20 BPF limitation and now the 240(previously 220) on the compression tester and bats were designed in that manner. Senior bats were only held to the NTS standard as you said but no low end compression failing. So to say my idea is false its 100% not false and is accurate. But since one of the things in the NEWS article was written saying the umpires will check for cracks and determine if the bats are legal to use or not. That brings up another good question, there is a vast difference between a "Seam" in a bat and a "Crack" what training are the umpires going to get so they can tell the difference between a "Seam" and a "Crack"? These are the same guys that can't tell the difference between a 13' pitch and a 10' pitch on a regullar basis and you're going to allow them to be the deciding factor in whether a bat is usable or not? Again, I commend SSUSA for trying to do something but I can tell you that if the exact steps aren't posted for this process and people private property are taken or risk banning it's opening themselves up for lawsuits. People just want answers, there was obviously some thought put into this by SSUSA as far as coming up with a number etc, so why can't the exact steps taken for the whole process be provided for members instead of just ignoring it? |
| May 15, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Am i wrong to think this way Nickname36, According to the rules rolling a bat is illegal as well. But to answer your question, no a compression tester can't tell the difference between rolled, shaved or very broken in. |
| May 15, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Answers about Bat Testing It's been over a week since SSUSA announced the new 140 Bat testing standard and multiple posts with multiple questions directed at SSUSA. Those questions have fell on deaf ears so I will ask again in hopes that someone from SSUSA will answer these questions. 1) Which tournaments will the testing take place? 2) Who will make sure the people testing bats are properly trained and the testers are calibrated and working properly? 3) At the tournaments where the testers will be used will testing be done prior to tournament play? If not when and why would the bats be tested and who's discretion is it to test a bat? 4) If a bat is tested and fails what is the next step? 5) What are the steps between a bat failing and a decision whether the bat was altered or just used and is now failing compression and who is the qualified person to make that decision and what is the process for determining? 6) If a bat is deemed altered then the answer is obvious but what happens when bats fail compression and are taken for investigation and they come back and it's determined that it isn't altered. What is the protocol for testing will the end caps be removed by a manufacturer or will they be cut open, if they are cut open how will the owner be compensated for a ruined bat? You've instituted brand new rules that are in direct conflict in how Senior bats were made. With USA/USSSA bats their bats are designed with 2 factors in place a high end exit and a low end compression. Senior bats weren't designed or built except to adhere to the 1.21 BPF with no low compression numbers to have to adhere to. You've put this new rule into affect to curtail cheating and it's a step in the right direction but to give no information other than a compression failing number and the penalty for cheating and leave out all the information in between isn't fair to us as members. Especially when you're talking about taking people's personal property who might be playing by the rules and could just not realize their bats are failing compression. There is far too many gaps in between the new 140 standard and potential punishment without giving the process you must certainly have considered. We should be given the information prior to a tester ever being used a single time at a tournament. |
| May 11, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 50 AAA team looking for a 2B for Knoxville May 31-June 2 MCK71, Illinois |
| May 9, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: 50 AAA team looking for a 2B for Knoxville May 31-June 2 Our regular 2B can't make it to Knoxville. Anyone looking to play? |
| May 7, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Bat ckecks at tournaments Marcster13, That really isn't even close to being accurate. Go watch BigChef BP and watch Chef and Alan swing the bat. They are both 40 senior players with bats speed well in excess of 90 MPH and their ideal compression on bats is about 175 and they drop 375+ all day long at that compression. Few Senior players have anywhere near 90 MPH bat speed and if these guys are getting over 375 at 175 then compression of 180 isn't anywhere near too soft for guys with average bat speed. |
| May 6, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Bat standards Tim, LOL, if you say so. You can just admit you didn't understand the original post and FYI having an open conversation with people isn't an argument. Just because you have a different opinion than others doesn't make it an argument. 95% of the time people call them discussions. |
| May 6, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: New Bat testing standard LB16, Using ASA bats and compression numbers are 2 totally different conversations. While I agree that 140 seems low current Senior bats will fail far too quickly at 170 and like I said many Senior players need softer barrel bats and bats that drop below 170. |
| May 6, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Bat standards Tim, Can you explain how questioning how using an ASA bat or even a USSSA which there is data proving those bats aren't as hot as Senior bats in a Senior tournament has anything to do with altered bats? This is a totally different subject than altered bats. Maybe you commented on the wrong post or didn't understand the original question. This isn't about bat altering. |
| May 6, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: Need a few players Bobby Chapp May 18-19 50AAA team out of IL had several guys go down with injuries this past weekend and are now short a couple IF for Bobby Chapp in MI in a couple weeks. Looking for a few guys to fill in for the weekend. |
| May 6, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: New Bat testing standard LB16, What testing facility do you work for that has done testing to show that 170 should be the cutoff for bats? I can buy a bat that starts in the wrapper at 220 and within 200 swings can have it down to 170ish and I'm not a power hitter. 140 might be low but 170 is too high for Senior bats. With that low of a number bats will be failing every few months. Do you realize that a good majority of the AAA players in the 60-65 and older age groups wouldn't be able to compress the barrel enough on bats testing over 170 to get any use out of them? To make a blanket statement that bats should test over 170 without having the knowledge or data behind it makes no sense. More senior players needs softer barrels to be able to flex that barrel than the young guys do. |
| May 6, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Tournaments Discussion: SSUSA NORTHERN CHAMPIONSHIPS 2024 The sad part was this tourney was moved from Aug. in Mi to April in Minnesota when it had been averaging between 15(only year less than 20) and up to 24 teams for the past 5 years in Mi. In which 95% of the teams came from IL, IN, Mi and OH and moved it to an area where there is maybe 30 teams combined at all levels in the entire country when it's still cold crappy weather. 7 total teams in 50 and 55s this year. Someone totally dropped the ball on this.. Move it to hot August weather to cold wet April weather and then make people use the most fragile bats made.. Love to know the reasoning behind this genius move.. The people who lose on this are the players and SSUSA, overall a terrible idea. |
| May 3, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Bat ckecks at tournaments Double Dee, seams aren't cracks. |
| May 3, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Bat standards Here are your answers to your questions and after speaking with mulitple directors this is what I have found. 1 & 2) No most directors don't know enough about bats and balls to know that. Matter of fact if what we were told by SSUSA is true, then the people voting on the rules don't know either or they are putting money over their players(customers). Supposedly it was a unanomous decision to only allow SSUSA bats and several people who were voting were from the Midwest and Upper East coast states. All of which if doing their job correctly should know balls and bats shouldn't be hit in temps under 60 and the worse of all bats to be hit in cold temps are senior bats. Ironically, the ones that don't come with warranties. Makes zero sense aside from money that ASA bats which are by far the most durable if you don't count Monsta and last the longest. 3) Of course prices will go up and what makes you think there will actually be extra staff on hand for testing? I'd be willing to bet there will just be more work for the directors and create more work for the current staff. This is just going to slow things down even more. |
| May 2, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: New Bat testing standard So by now we are all starting to get the email from SSUSA stating the new bat standards. Which is going to lead to a bunch of questions. First, what is the protocol for testing, will it be before games, during games, after a game, if someone gets hit? Secondly, if a bat comes in at 139 and found to be under the standard then what? Third, who will be the determining authority to decide what happens to a bat if it fails compression? Fourth, if the bat is taken what will the process be to determine if the bat is just well used or altered? Fifth, if the bat is taken and opened up and found to be legal but not passing compression what will then happen to the bat? If that bat is damaged in the process of inspection what will the reuinbursement process be? |
| April 23, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Batting Box rule change Left handed player called out correctly, entirely within the box Dave, wasn't saying Mike allowed it and he didn't condone it. I spoke with Mike about it and he said he was unaware. Just unfortunate that umpires aren't all following the same rules and pretty much no way to get him to do it either. It's a judgement call at best and you can't force and umpire to make the right call if he's opposed to it so it wasn't something I was going to Mike about during the tournament. He was made aware, but this was also the same umpire that said with 1 out and men on 1st and 2B and a pop up to the 2B who is one step into the grass with both feet isn't an infield fly either because it wasn't in the IF. Same umpire with a runner on 1B a ground ball hit to 2B he flips to SS who throws and hits the runner from 1B who not only failed to peel off when he was thrown out but raised his arms and ran like an airplane towards 2B in the arm and it rolled back to me at catcher and the ump didn't the batter out for runner interference. When asked he said he coudln't tell if it hit the runner or not as the runner was walking back to the 1B dugout complaining how hard our SS threw the ball. Some Umps just aren't good. |
| April 23, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Rules of the game Discussion: Batting Box rule change Left handed player called out correctly, entirely within the box We spent the whole weekend in Dayton OH with an umpire who refused to call anyone out for being in front of the plate. One team we played twice had 4 batters in a row both games STARTING with both feet in front of the plate before the pitch was even thrown. He argued with me that there are no batters boxes in slow pitch softball and said the rules don't exist. |
| April 22, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Interpretation of the new bat rule DieselDan, The whole point of this post from the original author is the fact that you're not allowed to use anything that doesn't have the SSUSA stamp on it. You're not allowed to use any USSSA or USA/ASA bats anymore. Bat warmers only help the bat so much when directors have the balls sitting outside in their car trunks all night the day before the tourney starts the compression on the balls go way up. |
| April 22, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: Bats Discussion: Interpretation of the new bat rule Mulldog, We played in OH this weekend and there were at least 8 broken bats on Saturday morning alone and temps were 45ish. There is no way to protect Senior bats in temps below 60 degrees regardless of what we are told by SSUSA on this site. Dave's comments on an earlier post about not seeing broken bats thrown in barrels pretty much shows how out of touch some rule makers can really be. A broken bat doesn't have to be cracked in half and thrown out to be considered broken. Dave, Nobody who knows anything about composite bats and balls would tell you its safe or even a good idea to swing bats under 60 degrees in temp especially senior bats and this weekend proved it again. Not only in OH but also at the Tidewater in Va. Whoever it was that voted 9-0 as you stated definitely doesn't have the players best interest or safety in mind. |
| April 18, 2024 JohnO28 | Topic: General and miscellaneous Discussion: The new ball AZBilly, I and I think pretty much everyone agrees with you on this. I believe at one point SSUSA even agreed that the ball cover has an issue and they were the ones that posted on here that there is an issue with the cover as far as getting dirty and Baden was working to rectify it. IMO, over all the ball is pretty good but doesn't compare at all to the Stote balls we used prior to these. But at the end of the day we know that SSUSA made this their official ball and I'm sure ordered thousands of them to make sure they had them to use at tourneys so I would venture to say even if there is a new ball with a better cover we will never see it until each and every ball they already bought that have their stamp on them is gone. It will only be then that we see this new ball. |
